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From: Ulick Magee on 15 Mar 2010 19:07
David Bolt wrote:
> On Sunday 28 Feb 2010 12:32, while playing with a tin of spray paint,
> Joe Somebody painted this mural:
>
>> 5.Claws mail/news client. Is the Usenet part of Claws off line? i.e
>> are bodies downloaded with the headers at all?
>
> I don't think so, and can't seem to find an answer either way. I don't
> know of any Linux based newsreaders that do read offline

Seamonkey and Thunderbird do. Actually, in Thunderbird you don't have
full search functionality *unless* you read offline... but this is just
a matter of clicking on the 'light bulb' once to go online and get
headers, and again to download message bodies and go offline.



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From: JT on 16 Mar 2010 04:28
On 16/03/10 00:07, Ulick Magee wrote:
> David Bolt wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 28 Feb 2010 12:32, while playing with a tin of spray paint,
>> Joe Somebody painted this mural:
>>
>>
>>> 5.Claws mail/news client. Is the Usenet part of Claws off line? i.e
>>> are bodies downloaded with the headers at all?
>>>
>> I don't think so, and can't seem to find an answer either way. I don't
>> know of any Linux based newsreaders that do read offline
>>
> Seamonkey and Thunderbird do. Actually, in Thunderbird you don't have
> full search functionality *unless* you read offline... but this is just
> a matter of clicking on the 'light bulb' once to go online and get
> headers, and again to download message bodies and go offline.
>
>
>
>
AFAIK 'pan' does too.

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From: David Bolt on 16 Mar 2010 10:00
On Tuesday 16 Mar 2010 08:28, while playing with a tin of spray paint,
JT painted this mural:

> On 16/03/10 00:07, Ulick Magee wrote:

>> Seamonkey and Thunderbird do. Actually, in Thunderbird you don't have
>> full search functionality *unless* you read offline... but this is just
>> a matter of clicking on the 'light bulb' once to go online and get
>> headers, and again to download message bodies and go offline.

Interesting. It's been a long while since I tried Thunderbird, several
years in fact, and I don't remember it working offline. I'll have to
add it and give it another go.

> AFAIK 'pan' does too.

Pan can, but you need to explicitly ask it to cache all the news posts
in a group. It doesn't do that by default. You also need to alter the
amount of space it uses for a cache as it's not very much.


Regards,
David Bolt

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From: David Bolt on 16 Mar 2010 12:39
On Tuesday 16 Mar 2010 15:42, while playing with a tin of spray paint,
houghi painted this mural:

> David Bolt wrote:
>>>> Seamonkey and Thunderbird do. Actually, in Thunderbird you don't have
>>>> full search functionality *unless* you read offline... but this is just
>>>> a matter of clicking on the 'light bulb' once to go online and get
>>>> headers, and again to download message bodies and go offline.
>
> "I would call that broken by design"

Well, without having the post bodies it's not going to be able to do a
full search. Having said that, if it's going to offer such abilities,
why not just download the full posts so the users don't need to do two
fetches to grab headers and then bodies. It should be possible to set
certain subscribed groups to headers only or full articles on a group
by group basis. And defaulting to headers-only would prevent someone
downloading the entire of a very busy binaries group by accident.

This is one of the things I miss about the old Windows newsreader I
used to use, although I suppose since I'm no longer on dialup I don't
really need to have news available offline.

>>> AFAIK 'pan' does too.
>>
>> Pan can, but you need to explicitly ask it to cache all the news posts
>> in a group. It doesn't do that by default. You also need to alter the
>> amount of space it uses for a cache as it's not very much.
>
> What I do is use leafnode to fetch the news. I can then use any
> newsreader that I point to 'news' which is 127.0.0.1

I do a similar thing, although I have my news spool on a separate
system.


Regards,
David Bolt

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From: David Bolt on 16 Mar 2010 15:10
On Tuesday 16 Mar 2010 17:57, while playing with a tin of spray paint,
houghi painted this mural:

> David Bolt wrote:
>>>>>> Seamonkey and Thunderbird do. Actually, in Thunderbird you don't have
>>>>>> full search functionality *unless* you read offline... but this is just
>>>>>> a matter of clicking on the 'light bulb' once to go online and get
>>>>>> headers, and again to download message bodies and go offline.
>>>
>>> "I would call that broken by design"
>>
>> Well, without having the post bodies it's not going to be able to do a
>> full search.
>
> What I see as 'broken by design' is that you need to go online twice.
> Not so much the need of having the messages locally.

That would certainly apply.

>> Having said that, if it's going to offer such abilities,
>> why not just download the full posts so the users don't need to do two
>> fetches to grab headers and then bodies. It should be possible to set
>> certain subscribed groups to headers only or full articles on a group
>> by group basis. And defaulting to headers-only would prevent someone
>> downloading the entire of a very busy binaries group by accident.
>
> Oh yeah. That has happend to me. :-D I also was a testuser for ADSL when
> it started in Belgium. I used about 50% of all the testusers at my
> provider. Some 500 of them. Hey, you either test it or you don't. :-D

That's one way of testing it out :)

>> This is one of the things I miss about the old Windows newsreader I
>> used to use, although I suppose since I'm no longer on dialup I don't
>> really need to have news available offline.
>
> Leafnode has that ability. See `man leafnode` and then the 'delaybody'
> part.

I did look at that some time ago and decided not to use it.

> What I used to do on dialup was connect, download, disconnect,
> answer, reconnect, upload and surf.

That was similar to how I worked with my old Windows newsreader. On
connection, it would post any replies I'd made, both email and news,
retrieve all the new ones and disconnect.

Then, due to the ISPs news server having issues, I started using NIN.
To get around the issue of my newsreader only allowing one server per
group, I set up leafnode to site between it and the world. It's been
configured that way now for many years and, while I'm now using DSL,
the only configuration change has been to change the cron job that does
the fetchnews part of the process so it doesn't skip the peak part of
the day where I wouldn't be connected. It's still set to do transfers
every 15 minutes, although I sometimes force a transfer between the
automatic transfers.

>>> What I do is use leafnode to fetch the news. I can then use any
>>> newsreader that I point to 'news' which is 127.0.0.1
>>
>> I do a similar thing, although I have my news spool on a separate
>> system.
>
> Only thing you need to be carefull about is that the server can't be
> connected from the outside.

That requires configuring it to allow connections outside the local
network. The option allowstrangers defaults to 0 and, unless you had it
listening on your external IP, it shouldn't have allowed connections.
If it was, then if would still only allow connections from your ISPs
other customers. Not much of a consolation, but it could have been
worse. You could have been allowing connections from the entire world.

> When I started with Linux I made a mess of
> that and was spamming Usenet as a proxy. :-(

Oops!


Regards,
David Bolt

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