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From: Kurt Ullman on 27 Apr 2010 12:45 In article <hr721o$rop$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Mark Subtlework <MSW(a)khkhhkhkhkhk.com> wrote: > Right. So, you clear the streets in NY and you shoot at the last minute. Good luck with that. And don't forget about inertia, those planes don't just stop and drop straight down. Unless you splash them into the water or on farm land before they get near the cities, you don't really gain that much. Assuming you can clear out a few hundred square blocks of NYC after you know where they are going. -- I get off on '57 Chevys I get off on screamin' guitars --Eric Clapton
From: Kurt Ullman on 27 Apr 2010 12:46 In article <1if6o9hm4y8s$.a01fwzbi81tx$.dlg(a)40tude.net>, Edwin <thorne25(a)juno.com> wrote: > Too bad that's not as easy to do as it is to say. Actually it is hard to say too. I did not get past "clear the streets of NYC" before I was laughing hysterically. -- I get off on '57 Chevys I get off on screamin' guitars --Eric Clapton
From: Warren Oates on 27 Apr 2010 13:36 In article <hr73a7$4qc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Mark Subtlework <MSW(a)khkhhkhkhkhk.com> wrote: > I would possibily have cost some casualties, but certainly less than the > crash on the North Tower. > > One wonders what TV, radio and civil emergency is for! Wow. You _are_ nuts. We (Westerners) don't have the same concept of "dying for my country" as the ragheads. We don't have 72 virgins waiting with open legs. We'll die for our countries in war if we absolutely have to, but we understand that living to keep fighting is better than strapping on a bomb and blowing up a supermarket. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer
From: Alan Baker on 27 Apr 2010 13:39 In article <hr721o$rop$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Mark Subtlework <MSW(a)khkhhkhkhkhk.com> wrote: > On 04/27/2010 10:24 AM, Edwin wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:18:07 -0400, Kurt Ullman wrote: > > > >> In article<hr5clj$578$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > >> Mark Subtlework<MSW(a)khkhhkhkhkhk.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On 04/26/2010 06:13 PM, ZnU wrote: > >>> > >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_at > >>>>> tac > >>>>> ks > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> So, it takes more than an hour before Flight 11 has been signaled as > >>>>> "probably been hijacked" and it makes a 100-degree turn, half an > >>>>> hour after it has effectively crashed into the WTC before the USAF > >>>>> intervenes. > >>>>> > >>>>> Two commercial aircrafts have time to crash into New York's > >>>>> highest skyscraper before the USAF comes to hover the wreckage and > >>>>> you believe somebody wasn't deliberately holding the RED alarm > >>>>> button to off? > >>>> > >>>> Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by > >>>> incompetence. > >>> > >>> Their incompetence or your stupidity? > >> Actually it was more the common military occurrence of fighting > >> the last war. At the time, the entire system was set-up on the model of > >> lessons learned during the time hijackings were a cheap and easy way to > >> get to Cuba. The policy of the time was to let the hijacker have the > >> plane, do as they said, and mess around with them until they got where > >> they wanted to go. It was assumed that they wanted the plane for > >> transportation instead of incineration. > >> At the time is wasn't policy to scramble AF for the most part because > >> you did not want to spook the hijackers into doing something rash. You > >> cleared the airspace and watched them, maybe hoping for a screw up if > >> they refueled somewhere. > >> Looking at it under the scenarios of the day before, what happened > >> was pretty much normal SOP. Looking at it under the scenarios of the day > >> after, there were holes. > > > > There's also the huge problem of shooting down a plane full of innocent > > people because of what the hijackers *might* do. > > Right. So, you clear the streets in NY and you shoot at the last minute. Wow. Which streets do you clear? How long does that take? -- "The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- "I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone "It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
From: Alan Baker on 27 Apr 2010 13:40
In article <hr73a7$4qc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Mark Subtlework <MSW(a)khkhhkhkhkhk.com> wrote: > On 04/27/2010 12:11 PM, Edwin wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:07:39 -0400, Mark Subtlework wrote: > > > >> On 04/27/2010 10:24 AM, Edwin wrote: > >>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:18:07 -0400, Kurt Ullman wrote: > >>> > >>>> In article<hr5clj$578$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > >>>> Mark Subtlework<MSW(a)khkhhkhkhkhk.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 04/26/2010 06:13 PM, ZnU wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_ > >>>>>>> attac > >>>>>>> ks > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> So, it takes more than an hour before Flight 11 has been signaled as > >>>>>>> "probably been hijacked" and it makes a 100-degree turn, half an > >>>>>>> hour after it has effectively crashed into the WTC before the USAF > >>>>>>> intervenes. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Two commercial aircrafts have time to crash into New York's > >>>>>>> highest skyscraper before the USAF comes to hover the wreckage and > >>>>>>> you believe somebody wasn't deliberately holding the RED alarm > >>>>>>> button to off? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by > >>>>>> incompetence. > >>>>> > >>>>> Their incompetence or your stupidity? > >>>> Actually it was more the common military occurrence of fighting > >>>> the last war. At the time, the entire system was set-up on the model of > >>>> lessons learned during the time hijackings were a cheap and easy way to > >>>> get to Cuba. The policy of the time was to let the hijacker have the > >>>> plane, do as they said, and mess around with them until they got where > >>>> they wanted to go. It was assumed that they wanted the plane for > >>>> transportation instead of incineration. > >>>> At the time is wasn't policy to scramble AF for the most part > >>>> because > >>>> you did not want to spook the hijackers into doing something rash. You > >>>> cleared the airspace and watched them, maybe hoping for a screw up if > >>>> they refueled somewhere. > >>>> Looking at it under the scenarios of the day before, what > >>>> happened > >>>> was pretty much normal SOP. Looking at it under the scenarios of the day > >>>> after, there were holes. > >>> > >>> There's also the huge problem of shooting down a plane full of innocent > >>> people because of what the hijackers *might* do. > >> > >> Right. So, you clear the streets in NY and you shoot at the last minute. > > > > Too bad that's not as easy to do as it is to say. > > You send police and firemen on the streets, you shut electricity down on > the metro rails and you shout "Highjacked plane heading for NY: head for > the metro fast. You'll be safe there." You have no clue. None at all. > > I would possibily have cost some casualties, but certainly less than the > crash on the North Tower. > > One wonders what TV, radio and civil emergency is for! -- "The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- "I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone "It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) |