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From: oriel36 on 8 Jul 2010 08:46

From: oriel36 on 8 Jul 2010 14:59

On Jul 8, 12:57 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/7/10 6:32 PM, oriel36 wrote:
>
> > On Jul 7, 9:32 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dutch investigation supports key warnings from the IPCC's most recent
> >> assessment
>
> >>http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=facts-climate-report....
>
> > Maybe someday scientists will discover that they haven't even
> > understood the basic temperature fluctuations across the solstices
> > properly,in other words,they don't understand what causes the seasons
> > and why the seasons and distinct from global climate.
>
> > All these reviews mean nothing Sam,only the explanation which exposes
> > the unstable core of these predictive/modelling agendas make a
> > difference with this fuss over a minor atmospheric gas being merely a
> > symptom of the parent errors and distortions.
>
> Gerald--Here is a primmer for you on atmospheric modeling.
> Principles of Planetary Climate" by R. T. Pierrehumbert
> http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/ClimateBook/ClimateVol1.pdf

You know Sam,I had used the fictional narrative of Orwell's '1984'
frequently over the past few weeks to convey the ability to live in an
atmosphere of fear based on nothing more than squeezing global
temperatures into a minor gas and more importantly,to trace the
origins of these prediction/modelling agendas on nothing more than a
few well placed lies and an enormous antecedent error based on
rotation of the earth through 360 degrees.There is another fictional
narrative that may be more appropriate in isolating a type of
personality that has always existed,only this time that 'empirical'
personality is now dominant on the world stage,that narrative is by
Jonathan Swift -

"These people are under continual disquietudes, never enjoying a
minutes peace of mind; and their disturbances proceed from causes
which very little affect the rest of mortals. Their apprehensions
arise from several changes they dread in the celestial bodies: for
instance, that the earth, by the continual approaches of the sun
towards it, must, in course of time, be absorbed, or swallowed up;
that the face of the sun, will, by degrees, be encrusted with its own
effluvia, and give no more light to the world; that the earth very
narrowly escaped a brush from the tail of the last comet, which would
have infallibly reduced it to ashes; and that the next, which they
have calculated for one-and-thirty years hence, will probably destroy
us. For if, in its perihelion, it should approach within a certain
degree of the sun (as by their calculations they have reason to dread)
it will receive a degree of heat ten thousand times more intense than
that of red hot glowing iron, and in its absence from the sun, carry a
blazing tail ten hundred thousand and fourteen miles long, through
which, if the earth should pass at the distance of one hundred
thousand miles from the nucleus, or main body of the comet, it must in
its passage be set on fire, and reduced to ashes: that the sun, daily
spending its rays without any nutriment to supply them, will at last
be wholly consumed and annihilated; which must be attended with the
destruction of this earth, and of all the planets that receive their
light from it.

They are so perpetually alarmed with the apprehensions of these, and
the like impending dangers, that they can neither sleep quietly in
their beds, nor have any relish for the common pleasures and
amusements of life. When they meet an acquaintance in the morning, the
first question is about the sun's health, how he looked at his setting
and rising, and what hopes they have to avoid the stroke of the
approaching comet. This conversation they are apt to run into with the
same temper that boys discover in delighting to hear terrible stories
of spirits and hobgoblins, which they greedily listen to, and dare not
go to bed for fear." Gulliver's travels

I do like Orwell's commentary which most applies here to those
pursuing the predictions/modelling agendas without bothering to
consider anything other than the conclusion at hand,something which
began with Isaac Newton -

"...to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it
back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then
promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process
to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously
to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious
of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the
word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink." Orwell 1984

All these fictional narratives are renowned not just for the story
wrapped around the narrative but the type of personalities which
naturally pursue an ideology as it fits their outlook.

From: Sam Wormley on 8 Jul 2010 19:36

On 7/8/10 7:46 AM, oriel36 wrote:
> All these solemn reports of vindication for climate scientists and
> their agenda that humans have control over global temperatures

Obviously human's have lost control (as if they ever had it) of
the global temperature. We, as a species, are in for quite a
change, even if the sun remains dormant for many decades.

Do you keep up on the scientific news, Gerald?

From: Sam Wormley on 8 Jul 2010 19:42

On 7/8/10 1:59 PM, oriel36 wrote:
> You know Sam,I had used the fictional narrative of Orwell's '1984'
> frequently over the past few weeks to convey the ability to live in an
> atmosphere of fear based on nothing more than squeezing global
> temperatures into a minor gas and more importantly,to trace the
> origins of these prediction/modelling agendas on nothing more than a
> few well placed lies and an enormous antecedent error based on
> rotation of the earth through 360 degrees.

I hate to say this, Gerald, but the art and science climatology is
way more complex that you are admitting to yourself.

Look at the forcing functions of "minor" gasses.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Radiative-forcings.svg/1000px-Radiative-forcings.svg.png

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