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From: abhilash j pillai on 1 Jun 2010 07:38
hello

1)would you please answer this question

Is it possible (in the relam of classical physics) for two observers
in the same frame of reference to observe different effects or results
due to the same or similar incidents or cause?

moreover i have written an article
about an experiment with regard to an attempt to
eliminate a discrepancy in the theory of electrodynamics
(classical) - where a
charged particle experience different forces under identical
conditions. I believe this is something that would have had some
relevance (whatever be the outcome of the experiment) had it been
done
around a hundred years back.

Since I believe that this experiment is genuine and still undone ,
i
thought of posting it here so that we could share our views
regarding
this. For this reasons, your opinions are highly valuable and I
would
be grateful to you in doing so.
It all started with trying to answer this anomaly
consider a charged particle Q lying near to a live current carrying
conductor (AB).

case1)-> the charged particle Q is lying stationary to AB
so here, Q is at rest with respect to the non-
conducting charges in AB and
in motion with respect to
the conducting electrons in AB.
here; Q is in a magnetic field,
but no force acts on it.

case 2)-> Q is moving parallel to AB (with a velocity =to
drift velocity of electrons in AB), ie, along with
the electrons in
AB
here, Q is at rest with respect to the
conducting electrons in AB and in motion
with respect to
the non-conducting charges in AB.
here Q is in a magnetic field and
it experience a force acting on
it.
However, both the conditions are identical,
Q is at rest with respect to one kind of charge
and in motion with respect to the other (opposite) kind of charge
in case 1) the current is caused by the flow
of
electrons and in case2) current is caused by the net flow of non-
conducting charges
but different forces acts on Q
in case 1 and 2 and these can be measured physically.


This anomaly is tried to explain in a classical way and finally
about an experiment which should help in this.
since google groups does not support graphics, I have made a pdf file
regarding this and I request you to kindly download this file (titled
-
electrodynamics and magnetism.pdf) from this google groups site so
that
you can have a better graphical view on this.

http://groups.google.co.in/group/electrodynamicsandmagnetism




do please send me your valuable suggestions and opinions regarding
this.
Thanking you
Abhilash J Pillai
From: Puppet_Sock on 1 Jun 2010 08:20
On Jun 1, 7:38 am, abhilash j pillai <abhilashsidhak...(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
[snip]
> do please  send me your valuable  suggestions and opinions regarding
> this.
[snap]

Yes. Read a book. Repeat as required.
Socks
From: john on 1 Jun 2010 11:25
On Jun 1, 6:20 am, Puppet_Sock <puppet_s...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 1, 7:38 am, abhilash j pillai <abhilashsidhak...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> [snip]> do please  send me your valuable  suggestions and opinions regarding
> > this.
>
> [snap]
>
> Yes. Read a book. Repeat as required.
> Socks

Or just say the same mantra every day.
It's called indoctrination/self-hypnotism.

That's for when the VLBA *measures* speeds
of galactic jets at 25c.

If you are well-enough indoctrinated, you laugh
at observations proving you wrong.

It's an illusion. you say. Geometric,
you say.

And if all else fails, blame it on
something invisible- matter, energy,...fairies....


john
From: Uncle Al on 1 Jun 2010 11:43
abhilash j pillai wrote:
>
> hello
>
> 1)would you please answer this question
>
> Is it possible (in the relam of classical physics) for two observers
> in the same frame of reference to observe different effects or results
> due to the same or similar incidents or cause?

Two answers:

1) General Relativity: space-like or time-like events. A
relativistic universe has four distinct distances: luminosity (inverse
square), angular diameter, parallax, and proper motion. No two of
them need agree to maintain consistency. Clocks can only be
synchronized by being local.

2) Classical physics is entirely deterministic. An event happens
or it does not happen. The universe does not tolerate paradox.

(1) and (2) are entirely compatible. The parts that have stretch do
not affect local observers. When observers are made local to compare
notes, the maths disappear the paradox, e.g.,

http://www.hawaii.edu/suremath/SRtwinParadox.html
http://sheol.org/throopw/sr-twin-01.html
<http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/twins.html>
Twin Paradox

> moreover i have written an article
> about an experiment with regard to an attempt to
> eliminate a discrepancy in the theory of electrodynamics
> (classical) - where a
> charged particle experience different forces under identical
> conditions. I believe this is something that would have had some
> relevance (whatever be the outcome of the experiment) had it been
> done
> around a hundred years back.
[snip rest]

This has been overwhelmingly discredited in sci.physics.research

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
From: abhilash j pillai on 3 Jun 2010 07:35
hello Uncle Al

thank you for your reply.

now would you please answer this question.



consider two observers -both of them at rest
(or at rest with respect to each other)-
and are watching the same (or similar) phenomenon -
let's say a constant stream of electrons travelling at 0.1C.
Both the observers are equidistant from this stream of electrons,
and all other parameters remaining the same.
..
now is it possible for these two observers to measure different
values
for -
distance travelled by the electron stream in unit time,
calculate different values for time dialation and
measure different values for the strength of the magnetic
/electric field components

thanking you
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