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From: Andy Medina on 14 Mar 2010 18:25 "~BD~" <BoaterDave.is.(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:78ydnWAG_LpPywDWnZ2dnUVZ7sSdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > Andy Medina wrote: >> Usually it's being able to think "outside the box" and approaching the >> system/problem "holistically". > > Well, full marks to you! 10/10 > > Out of interest, *do* you have 'computing' qualifications as well? The *majority* of my 'knowledge' came from the "school of of hard-knocks", AKA experience, and continuous learning. But, no, I do not have 'computing' qualifications. What I got started with, years ago, is a BS EET. What is interesting is some qualifications for jobs state that 2 years experience is equal to 1 year of school. It should be the other way round. :D
From: David Kaye on 15 Mar 2010 01:54 "Andy Medina" <gmedina(a)email.arizona.edu> wrote: >Usually it's being able to think "outside the box" and approaching the >system/problem "holistically". I *like* that. Honest Dave, the wholistic computer fixer. It'll play very well in Marin County. Heck, I could sprinkle a little lavender water on the case and make the computer smell good, too... Ooops, sorry Andy. You should be the holistic computer fixer...
From: David Kaye on 15 Mar 2010 02:01 Leythos <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote: >When people ask me what classes to take, well, I tell them that there >are no real classes for what we do today, it's something that you can >either learn on your own or [....] When I used to be lead software developer and had to interview prospective programmers I noticed that the best way to check if somebody knew what they were doing was not the schooling on the resume but whether or not they had a copy of the programming environment at home and whether they did any hobby programming. If they did they could easily run circles around others. We'd test for competency by telling the applicant: "We'd like you to connect to a database, select first and last names and put them into a text box sorted by first name. We don't care which method you use to connect to the database, how the application looks, or what code you use to write it. AND it's open book. You can use any help screen or any book in our programming library." It's funny that the "educated" applicants tended to stare at the blank screen for half an hour and do nothing. We had a couple people storm out complaining at the "indignity" or whatever. One woman who applied asked to go to the bathroom and never returned. But the hobbyists could knock out the simple program in about 10 minutes.
From: David H. Lipman on 15 Mar 2010 06:21 From: "David Kaye" <sfdavidkaye2(a)yahoo.com> | "Andy Medina" <gmedina(a)email.arizona.edu> wrote: >>Usually it's being able to think "outside the box" and approaching the >>system/problem "holistically". | I *like* that. Honest Dave, the wholistic computer fixer. It'll play very | well in Marin County. Heck, I could sprinkle a little lavender water on the | case and make the computer smell good, too... | Ooops, sorry Andy. You should be the holistic computer fixer... Hmmmmm... I didn't think it was "lavender water" being used in Marin County. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: Leythos on 15 Mar 2010 08:53
In article <hnkeuh$trm$6(a)news.eternal-september.org>, sfdavidkaye2 @yahoo.com says... > > Leythos <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote: > > >When people ask me what classes to take, well, I tell them that there > >are no real classes for what we do today, it's something that you can > >either learn on your own or [....] > > When I used to be lead software developer and had to interview prospective > programmers I noticed that the best way to check if somebody knew what they > were doing was not the schooling on the resume but whether or not they had a > copy of the programming environment at home and whether they did any hobby > programming. If they did they could easily run circles around others. > > We'd test for competency by telling the applicant: "We'd like you to connect > to a database, select first and last names and put them into a text box sorted > by first name. We don't care which method you use to connect to the database, > how the application looks, or what code you use to write it. AND it's open > book. You can use any help screen or any book in our programming library." > > It's funny that the "educated" applicants tended to stare at the blank screen > for half an hour and do nothing. We had a couple people storm out complaining > at the "indignity" or whatever. One woman who applied asked to go to the > bathroom and never returned. But the hobbyists could knock out the simple > program in about 10 minutes. In order to weed out the "text book" types from the ones that had a real interest, we developed a simple 6 page test that covered (since I was a programmer, 8 languages, DBA, MS/Oracle, network engineer) basic programming issues, some database issues, and some minor networking issues - none of the questions were "text book" questions. It was amazing how few people actually passed the testing, 1 hour, no outside computer/internet access during the test.... I had one chap, a MCSE, MCDBA, that we hired before the testing was put in place, one of the body hunters found him and assured us that he was the best DBA he had ever used.... We sent him to a state client where he was suppose to edit SQL queries.... he actually walked out 2 hours into the first day, no notice to the client, no call to us, just left.... When we reached him the next day he said it was too much stress...... This was basic DBA level stuff that any first level DBA could do.... -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) |