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From: mmeron on 13 Sep 2006 10:13 In article <1158140739.848699.260240(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "tadchem" <tadchem(a)comcast.net> writes: > >hanson wrote: > ><snip> > >> Well, how about you guys' preferences about an actor and >> radio announcer... like Ronald Regan.... ahahahaha.... >> AFAIAC, like Tom says, the professional back ground of a >> politician has little or any bearing on his/her acumen in politics. >> I just can't figure out why anybody in his right mind wants to >> be(come) a political leader given the unruliness of the general >> peasantry... just look at the micro-cosm here at hand, these NGs. >> ahahaha.... ahahaha... ahahahanson >> >> PS: Politicians are merely the ACTORS of the show. >> The power is with the quiet $$$ puppeteers behind the scenes. > >Hihihihihi hahahahahanson, > >The greatest weakness of democracy is that the people who end up >getting the leadership jobs are the people who *want* those jobs, and >megalomaniacs who are crazy enough to want such a job are precisely the >people who *shouldn't* have them. > "Anybody who is willing to put up with what it takes to become the Presisdent of the United States should be disqualified on grounds of insanity". From Mark Twain. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: hanson on 13 Sep 2006 10:45 <mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote in message news:CmUNg.1$45.87(a)news.uchicago.edu... "tadchem" <tadchem(a)comcast.net> writes In article : > <1158140739.848699.260240(a)b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>>> > hanson wrote: >>> Well, how about you guys' preferences about an actor and >>> radio announcer... like Ronald Regan.... ahahahaha.... >>> AFAIAC, like Tom says, the professional back ground of a >>> politician has little or any bearing on his/her acumen in politics. >>> I just can't figure out why anybody in his right mind wants to >>> be(come) a political leader given the unruliness of the general >>> peasantry... just look at the micro-cosm here at hand, these NGs. >>> ahahaha.... ahahaha... ahahahanson >>> PS: Politicians are merely the ACTORS of the show. >>> The power is with the quiet $$$ puppeteers behind the scenes. >> [Tad] >>Hihihihihi hahahahahanson, >>The greatest weakness of democracy is that the people who end up >>getting the leadership jobs are the people who *want* those jobs, and >>megalomaniacs who are crazy enough to want such a job are precisely the >>people who *shouldn't* have them. >> [Mati] > "Anybody who is willing to put up with what it takes to become the > Presisdent of the United States should be disqualified on grounds of > insanity". From Mark Twain. > [hanson] That is valid everywhere, anytime, not just here. One of the sad upshots is unfortunately that the insanity of/in these megalomaniacs has never prevented them to regard the world as their personal domain/ball game/playground/money machine etc, wherein their populations are merely tools for their personal quirks or ambitions. == Fundamental question: Is there a better social system? Any? hanson
From: mmeron on 13 Sep 2006 11:13 In article <ee8j0p$8ps_001(a)s856.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >In article <ebHNg.44$b5.46(a)news.uchicago.edu>, > mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >>In article <1158101637.503114.93370(a)i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Edward >Green" <spamspamspam3(a)netzero.com> writes: >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> In article <1157904416.697779.207410(a)m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, >>>> "tadchem" <tadchem(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >Edward Green wrote: >>>> >> ...according to Forbes Magazine, is Angela Merkel, chancellor of >>>> >> Germany. Chancellor Merkel holds a doctorate in physics from the >>>> >> University of Leipzig. >>>> >> >>>> >> Imagine! A world leader who may understand the second law of >>>> >> thermodynamics. >>>> > >>>> >Technical competence does not necessarily translate to leadership >>>> >competence. >>>> > >>>> >James Earl Carter was a BS nuclear engineer from the US Naval Academy. >>>> >>>> I always thought that a cause of his adminstrative problems was >>>> due to his science training: he required all the details which >>>> can bog you down w.r.t. decisions if you're the head of anything. >>> >>>I don't know if that has any correlation with scientific training: >>>that's "micromanaging", and it's quite possible to do this without any >>>scientific training at all. >>> >>>I also wouldn't put a naval "nuclear engineer" on the same page as a >>>doctorate in physics: his was a very goal directed and pragmatic kind >>>of technical education. >>> >>And, the belief that scientific training translates to "requiring all >>the details" is quite false. > >Point. > >> On the contrary, it is a matter of >>recognizing which details matter and which can be ignored. > >Sure. [here comes the but ;-)] Don't you have to look at >all the details before you can ignore them? This takes time. > When you enter a room in your house, do you've to check every item to verify that it is in its right place, or do you just glance around, noticing when soemthing is out of place? So, no, not only I don't have to look at all the details, but I've to avoid looking at all the details. Wouldn't get anywhere otherwise. I've to make a judgement call, based on general knowledge, prior experience etc., which details may be relevant and concentrate on these only. If it works, fine. If a serious discrepancy shows up, the discrepancy itself may point the way to what additional details may be relevant. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: mmeron on 13 Sep 2006 11:21 In article <ee8j4b$8ps_002(a)s856.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >In article <1158103280.048027.246320(a)i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > "Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>tadchem wrote: >>> Edward Green wrote: >>> > ...according to Forbes Magazine, is Angela Merkel, chancellor of >>> > Germany. Chancellor Merkel holds a doctorate in physics from the >>> > University of Leipzig. >>> > >>> > Imagine! A world leader who may understand the second law of >>> > thermodynamics. >>> >>> Technical competence does not necessarily translate to leadership >>> competence. >> >>Personally I'd rather have a technically educated person in a position >>of leadership rather than a lawyer or an MBA. > >I used to think so, too. I don't know anymore. > Judging based on the technically educated people I knoe, most of them are quite poorly qualified for positions of leadership. Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool, meron(a)cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
From: Timo A. Nieminen on 13 Sep 2006 15:14
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, hanson wrote: > <mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu> wrote: >> "tadchem" <tadchem(a)comcast.net> writes: >>> >>> The greatest weakness of democracy is that the people who end up >>> getting the leadership jobs are the people who *want* those jobs, and >>> megalomaniacs who are crazy enough to want such a job are precisely the >>> people who *shouldn't* have them. >>> >> "Anybody who is willing to put up with what it takes to become the >> Presisdent of the United States should be disqualified on grounds of >> insanity". From Mark Twain. >> > That is valid everywhere, anytime, not just here. One of the sad > upshots is unfortunately that the insanity of/in these megalomaniacs > has never prevented them to regard the world as their personal > domain/ball game/playground/money machine etc, wherein their > populations are merely tools for their personal quirks or ambitions. > == Fundamental question: Is there a better social system? Any? Churchill said it well in Parliament almost 60 years ago: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." -- Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/ E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html |