From: Mensanator on
On Feb 26, 6:08 pm, Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp(a)retep> wrote:
> jmfbahciv wrote:
> > I used to solve my really pesky problems by dreaming the solution,
> > or workaround.  Sleeping is useful.
>
> There once was a time when I was struggling with difficult theoretical
> problems, and I would wake up in the middle of the night with solutions,
> or at least with important insights. Once the morning arrived, I would
> recall getting the insights, but couldn't remember what they were.
>
> To fix the problem I put a notepad and pen beside my bed, and went to
> bed with the firm resolve to write down any ideas I got in the night. It
> worked: I woke up with yet another brilliant idea, and spent some time
> writing down all the details.

I used to wonder if that worked.

>
> In the morning, I found the sort of scrawl a two-year-old might have
> written.

One day I caught my subconscience red handed. I dreamed I was signing
in at a hospital. After signing my name and entering the date, the
nurse looked at it and said "That's last week." I took it back and
saw that I had reversed the date, writing DD/MM/YYYY instead of MM/DD/
YYYY.

Of course, once I woke up, I could not remember the date. But I
thought
"Aha! I can figure it out. What dates would, when reversed, give you
a week earlier?"

Turns out there is no such date. My subconscience was not, in fact,
dreaming up useful ideas. I wasn't missing anything by not writing
them down.

>
> --
> Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia.      http://www.pmoylan.org
> For an e-mail address, see my web page.

From: DKleinecke on
On Feb 26, 5:12 pm, Mensanator <mensana...(a)aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 6:08 pm, Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp(a)retep> wrote:
> > jmfbahciv wrote:
> > > I used to solve my really pesky problems by dreaming the solution,
> > > or workaround.  Sleeping is useful.
>
> > There once was a time when I was struggling with difficult theoretical
> > problems, and I would wake up in the middle of the night with solutions,
> > or at least with important insights. Once the morning arrived, I would
> > recall getting the insights, but couldn't remember what they were.
>
> > To fix the problem I put a notepad and pen beside my bed, and went to
> > bed with the firm resolve to write down any ideas I got in the night. It
> > worked: I woke up with yet another brilliant idea, and spent some time
> > writing down all the details.
>
> My subconscience was not, in fact,
> dreaming up useful ideas. I wasn't missing anything by not writing
> them down.

I generally put myself to sleep by working on one or another kind of
intellectual task - writing a paper or solving a problem. I find it
very soporific.

While I am dozing off I will jerk back from my line of thought to
something resembling a waking state and generally discover that I have
instantly forgotten the chain of thought. The relatively few times I
do remember something have convinced me I have lost nothing
worthwhile. My subconscious or whatever is guiding me deals, it seems,
entirely in nonsense.

I dream frequently and vividly and it seems to me that I have a much
better recall of my latest dream when I awaken than I have of dozing-
off thoughts. I do not make a record of my dreams and all memory of
them quickly fades away.
From: sjdevnull on
On Feb 26, 7:00 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 6:45 pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 3:51 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 2:30 pm, "sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com" <sjdevn...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 12:52 pm, mstem...(a)walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <7uomssFvk...(a)mid.individual.net>, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> writes:
> > > > > >tony cooper wrote:
> > > > > >> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:14:04 +0800, Robert Bannister <robb...(a)bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> Ant nio Marques wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>> It's not what you think. Either the Church's message is universal and
> > > > > >>>> Christ did found one Church, or it isn't.
> > > > > >>> Now there's a new one: the first I've heard that Jesus founded or even
> > > > > >>> wanted a church.
>
> > > > > >> I thought he delegated the job to Peter.
>
> > > > > >I don't think so. I believe he did ask Peter and the others to keep on
> > > > > >spreading the word, but I have seen no mention of churches, priests,
> > > > > >buildings, vestments or choir boys in the New Testament.
>
> > > > > Try Mt 16:17-18.
>
> > > > The closest I see there is the word "build":
> > > >  17And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona,
> > > > because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to thee, but my Father who
> > > > is in the heavens.
> > > >  18`And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I
> > > > will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against
> > > > it;
> > > > (Young's Literal Translation)
>
> > > > Note that "ecclesia" is sometimes mistranslated as "church"; in
> > > > reality it meant "assembly"--the most well-known "ecclesia" prior to
> > > > the writing of Matthew would have been the democratic gatherings of
> > > > Athens, which went under that name.  There's no reason to think that
> > > > it meant anything like the organized hierarchy of the modern Church..-
>
> > > What the hell is "Young's Literal Translation"? Is that one of those
> > > misguided efforts to render every word of the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek the
> > > same way in English every time it appears? When was it done?
>
> > It's a literal translation of the Bible, done in 1862.  The particular
> > credentials of Young's aren't important in this case, because plenty
> > of other scholarly translations (e.g the 1997 version of the American
> > Standard Version, Darby's) render the passage the same way, but more
> > importantly because the word in question is easily verified as
> > "εκκλησιαν" or "ecclesia" and you can easily research the history of
> > that word yourself without having to rely on someone else's
> > translation abilities; at the time of writing, it meant "assembly",
> > and it wasn't until later that it acquired the second meaning of
> > "church".-
>
> But rather than answer Robert's question, you chose to obfuscate by
> quoting an incompetent and outmoded "literal" translation.

It was a bit of a polemical post, yes, attempting to convey that the
issue of translation is a significant one. My apologies for the
opacity.

That said, the particulars of the version are irrelevant (and modern
versions like the 1997 version of the ASV use the same word)--you can
find the word yourself and look at its historical meaning.
From: James Silverton on
R wrote on 26 Feb 2010 08:26:47 -0800:

> James Silverton filted:
>>
>> I am trying to remember when Fortran introduced arrays with
>> arbitrary indexing, that is, starting at numbers other than
>> 1. I have not programmed in Fortran in years and I do
>> remember the change but not when it happened.

> Somewhere buried in storage I have a book on Fortran that
> compares seventy or eighty implementations of the language
> (each time a feature is introduced, there's a table showing
> whether it exists in that flavor, and exactly what the
> restrictions are)...the table on subscripting gives such
> varieties as:

> positive integer constant
> scalar integer variable (n)
> integer variable plus or minus integer constant (n+i, n-i)
> integer multiple of variable plus or minus constant (i*n+j,
> i*n-j)arbitrary integer expressions
> arbitrary expressions of any type so long as they're
> convertible to integer

> Most Fortrans allowed only the first four of these; the last
> two were considered wild-eyed and radical...you couldn't run
> backwards through an array with a loop incrementing KOUNT from
> 1 to 10, subscripting the array with 11-KOUNT; things had to
> be in exactly one of the approved forms...and you certainly
> couldn't combine multiple variables in one, or use an element
> of one array as an index in another like
> VALUES(ISIZE(ITABLE(K)))....

> *Defining* arrays was even more strict...either a constant or,
> if the array was a subroutine parameter, a constant that was
> *also* a parameter....

> A similar table gave the same levels of complexity for the
> upper and lower bounds of a DO statement, and for the
> increment....r

I think I have found the answer. It was Fortran77 according to:

http://orion.math.iastate.edu/burkardt/papers/fortran_arrays.html

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
From: David Bernier on
DKleinecke wrote:
> On Feb 26, 5:12 pm, Mensanator <mensana...(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 26, 6:08 pm, Peter Moylan <gro.nalyomp(a)retep> wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv wrote:
>>>> I used to solve my really pesky problems by dreaming the solution,
>>>> or workaround. Sleeping is useful.
>>> There once was a time when I was struggling with difficult theoretical
>>> problems, and I would wake up in the middle of the night with solutions,
>>> or at least with important insights. Once the morning arrived, I would
>>> recall getting the insights, but couldn't remember what they were.
>>> To fix the problem I put a notepad and pen beside my bed, and went to
>>> bed with the firm resolve to write down any ideas I got in the night. It
>>> worked: I woke up with yet another brilliant idea, and spent some time
>>> writing down all the details.
>> My subconscience was not, in fact,
>> dreaming up useful ideas. I wasn't missing anything by not writing
>> them down.
>
> I generally put myself to sleep by working on one or another kind of
> intellectual task - writing a paper or solving a problem. I find it
> very soporific.
>
> While I am dozing off I will jerk back from my line of thought to
> something resembling a waking state and generally discover that I have
> instantly forgotten the chain of thought. The relatively few times I
> do remember something have convinced me I have lost nothing
> worthwhile. My subconscious or whatever is guiding me deals, it seems,
> entirely in nonsense.
>
> I dream frequently and vividly and it seems to me that I have a much
> better recall of my latest dream when I awaken than I have of dozing-
> off thoughts. I do not make a record of my dreams and all memory of
> them quickly fades away.

I've secretly been listening to a sound file containing
theta wave binaural beats.

According to Wikipedia,
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats >

theta waves are usually associated to dreams, deep meditation and REM sleep.
The theta wave binaural beats produce drowsiness in me.

Source of the files:
< http://www.archive.org/details/20091111BinauralBeats > .