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From: Mike Barnes on 21 Feb 2010 17:59 Ant�nio Marques <entonio(a)gmail.com>: >On Feb 21, 1:09�am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Mike Barnes wrote: >> > Adam Funk <a24...(a)ducksburg.com>: >> > >From man 5 crontab: >> >> > > � When specifying day of week, both day 0 and day 7 will be >> > > � considered Sunday. �BSD and AT&T seem to disagree about this. >> >> > But they presumably agree that day one is Monday. >> >> But 0 is the start of computer indexing - at least in real programs. 0 >> = Sunday. > >Ahem. In low level, pointer oriented languages such as C and its >family. And those who chose to imitate it. But not in the first language I used when working for a living (COBOL). -- Mike Barnes Cheshire, England
From: Cheryl on 21 Feb 2010 18:12 jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Brian M. Scott wrote: >> >>>>>>> And trying to come up with a new calendar fixating on >>>>>>> Christmas is about as logical as fixating on Waitangi >>>>>>> Day. >>>>>> This is just West-bashing. >>>>> Don't be silly: New Zealand is part of the cultural west. >>>> But what the day commemorates is not. >>> You should have checked to see what it actually does >>> commemorate before posting such nonsense. >> As far as I know, it's used today as just another excuse for white >> guilt. It hasn't been continuously observed since the event itself, >> like out July 4 has been. > > Nonsense, execpt for "As far as I know", which is apparantly not far. > >> And even if I'm wrong, it's no more important than July 4, and I don't >> base my calendar around that, either. I chose the Christian holidays >> because they are international, and fitting other US days is a bonus. >> >> Andrew Usher > > Yeah, they celebrate lots of Christian holidays in China, Japan, India, > Korea, and the Middle East. Actually, they do. There are Christians in all four countries and the Middle East. Whether the Christian holidays are also government-sanctioned holidays in all those places, I don't know, but I rather doubt it. If the discussion is broadened to holidays people celebrate rather than those on an official government calendar, Santa Claus seems to have joined the December celebrations in quite a number of unexpected places, and I suspect that, like Valentine's Day, it's celebrated without accepting the specifically Christian aspects of the celebration. -- Cheryl
From: Androcles on 21 Feb 2010 18:40 "Ant�nio Marques" <entonio(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:b77774aa-cbd3-4d01-a891-4ce3ed966ab6(a)l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On Feb 21, 12:40 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_u> wrote: > "Adam Funk" <a24...(a)ducksburg.com> wrote in message > > news:47t557xq46.ln2(a)news.ducksburg.com... > > > > > On 2010-02-20, Brian M. Scott wrote: > > >> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:49:14 -0000, Androcles > >><Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_u> wrote in > >><news:mmNfn.9989$X_6.9098(a)newsfe22.ams2> in > >> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang: > > >>> "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu> wrote in message > >>>news:1s2uq5glt3lgu$.1m746rj1287gz$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > > >>>> Don't be ridiculous: it's merely a convention. For many of > >>>> us Monday is unquestionably the first day of the week. > > >>> Which day is Mittwoch > > >> The middle of the five-day work week. > > > It should be renamed Wotanstag. > > Odin's, Wotan's, Woden's, Weden's, Wednesday, it's > all the same in the Germanic languages. Now try it in the > Latin languages... such as Portugooses. > Domingo segunda-feira ter�a-feira quarta-feira quinta-feira sexta-feira > s�bado > and Italian > Domenica luned� marted� mercoled� gioved� venerd� sabato > > Translation byhttp://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt Iinm, all the romance languages have week names derived from the roman gods. Pt is the exception, having '2nd-6th fair' for Mon-Fry. There, monday is 2nd-fair, not 1st, though our calendars usually begin on monday. The roman-gods-names do exist in galician, where they are geographically dominant. Luns, martes, m�rcores, xoves, venres. Presumbaly pt would have luns, martes, m�rcores/m�rcoles?, joves, vernes/vendres/venres? had it developed from a different region. ================================================= The planets and their days: English German French Italian Spanish Sun Sunday Sonntag Dimanche Domenica Domingo Moon Monday Montag Lundi Lunedi Lunes Mercury Thursday Donnerstag Mercredi Mercoledi Venus Friday Freitag Vendredi Venerdi Viernes (Earth) Mars Tuesday Dienstag Mardi Martedi Martes Jupiter Wednesday Mittwoch Jeudi Giovedi Jueves Saturn Saturday Samstag Samedi Sabato S�bado (Uranus) unseen by the naked eye or unnoticed as a fixed star (Neptune) unseen by the naked eye or unnoticed as a fixed star (Pluto) unseen by the naked eye The order in which they are arranged is not the same. Observing the planets as gods goes back to prehistory and are the basis of the seven day week. The one god, Ra (sun) was an Egyptian idea that became Hebrew.
From: jimp on 21 Feb 2010 18:35 Cheryl <cperkins(a)mun.ca> wrote: > jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> In sci.physics Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Brian M. Scott wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> And trying to come up with a new calendar fixating on >>>>>>>> Christmas is about as logical as fixating on Waitangi >>>>>>>> Day. >>>>>>> This is just West-bashing. >>>>>> Don't be silly: New Zealand is part of the cultural west. >>>>> But what the day commemorates is not. >>>> You should have checked to see what it actually does >>>> commemorate before posting such nonsense. >>> As far as I know, it's used today as just another excuse for white >>> guilt. It hasn't been continuously observed since the event itself, >>> like out July 4 has been. >> >> Nonsense, execpt for "As far as I know", which is apparantly not far. >> >>> And even if I'm wrong, it's no more important than July 4, and I don't >>> base my calendar around that, either. I chose the Christian holidays >>> because they are international, and fitting other US days is a bonus. >>> >>> Andrew Usher >> >> Yeah, they celebrate lots of Christian holidays in China, Japan, India, >> Korea, and the Middle East. > > > Actually, they do. There are Christians in all four countries and the > Middle East. Yeah, and there are Muslims in Italy but all the restaurants are still full. > Whether the Christian holidays are also government-sanctioned holidays > in all those places, I don't know, but I rather doubt it. That's a big part of the point. Holidays are established by the government and influenced by the culture of the majority of that nation. > If the discussion is broadened to holidays people celebrate rather than > those on an official government calendar, Santa Claus seems to have > joined the December celebrations in quite a number of unexpected places, > and I suspect that, like Valentine's Day, it's celebrated without > accepting the specifically Christian aspects of the celebration. If the discussion is about calendar revision, basing it on any particular cultural celebration, other than New Years which is the only truely international celebration I can think of, is cultural bias. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
From: Brian M. Scott on 21 Feb 2010 19:16
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:40:53 -0000, Androcles <Headmaster(a)Hogwarts.physics_u> wrote in <news:Xxjgn.49780$tJ.39213(a)newsfe28.ams2> in sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang: [...] > The planets and their days: > English German French Italian Spanish > Sun Sunday Sonntag Dimanche Domenica Domingo Only the English and German names refer to the sun; the three Romance names are from the ecclesiastical calendar and refer to the Lord. > Moon Monday Montag Lundi Lunedi Lunes > Mercury Thursday Donnerstag Mercredi Mercoledi > Venus Friday Freitag Vendredi Venerdi Viernes > (Earth) > Mars Tuesday Dienstag Mardi Martedi Martes > Jupiter Wednesday Mittwoch Jeudi Giovedi Jueves Obviously <Mittwoch> has nothing to do with the planet. > Saturn Saturday Samstag Samedi Sabato Sábado The only one of these that refers to the planet is English <Saturday>; the others all derive from Greek <Σάββατον>, from Hebrew. (The German and French add a <-day> element.) [...] > The order in which they are arranged is not the same. > Observing the planets as gods goes back to prehistory > and are the basis of the seven day week. This last is not certain. [...] |