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From: Androcles on 19 Feb 2010 17:17 "Cheryl" <cperkins(a)mun.ca> wrote in message news:7u8gk9FirvU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Andrew Usher wrote: >> On Feb 19, 3:07 pm, Ant�nio Marques <antonio...(a)sapo.pt> wrote: >> >>>>> The reason I fix Christmas to a Sunday has been my observation that >>>>> arranging a family Christmas is substantially more convenient when it >>>>> falls on a weekend than in the middle of the week. Given that >>>>> Christmas >>>>> is the most important holiday in the year, should we not all get at >>>>> least a 3-day weekend, which we have for lesser holidays? >>>> Less than around 30% of the world population cares about Christmas or >>>> Easter or think that "Christmas is the most important holiday in the >>>> year". >>> Well, but for those who don't it doesn't really matter one way or the >>> other >>> what day Christmas and Easter Sunday are, does it? So what relevance do >>> they >>> have for you to bring them along? Or was it just the desire to sound >>> clever? >> >> Right, and I figure that my calendar would be no worse than the >> present for those that don't. >> >> Indeed, I considered this problem purely as a logical one; as I've >> stated, I don't consider myself Christian, I adopted the Church >> calendar as a base only because it makes the problem more interesting. >> >> I didn't consider my calendar complete until I worked out my new leap >> year rule (Rule #3) - it not only ensures that both Christmas and >> Easter are within 7-day periods despite being a constant distance from >> each other and having leap day in between, it simultaneously causes >> there to be exactly 52 Sundays in every year if you take out Nov. 1 >> which is All Saints' day; this immediately allows te to draw up a >> permanent list of the Sundays in the year with their traditional >> Christian designations, and then follow the perpetual calendar. >> >> And I moved the start of the week numbering to August from Nov. 1 so >> that the academic year and the US football season would be on the >> fixed schedule, and I think there can be no objection to that. The >> holidays I consider are Christmas and Easter (and of course the Church >> festivals fixed to them, but hardly anyone cares anymore), and US >> Thanksgiving - but other civil holidays could easily be fixed to the >> same if they are now observed on a Monday, say, or otherwise not fixed >> to a particular date. >> >> Andrew Usher > > Which academic year are you considering? I can think of several > variations - K-12 vs universities and colleges, to begin with, and there > are even variations among the K-12 school years in different > jurisdictions - and even within the same one, in places where some schools > have a year-round schedule. > > I will confess to being totally indifferent to the US football schedule. > In fact, I couldn't tell you what it is now, except for a vague impression > that it occurs in the fall, or possibly winter. > > -- > Cheryl The USA doesn't have a football schedule. The rest of the world plays football, the USA calls that soccer and then plays it's own version of parochial handball.
From: jimp on 19 Feb 2010 17:56 In sci.physics António Marques <antonioprm(a)sapo.pt> wrote: > jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote (19-02-2010 19:21): >> In sci.physics Andrew Usher<k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Feb 19, 11:52 am, Halmyre<flashgordonreced...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You >>>>> might as well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you >>>>> suggesting that we only take holidays at Easter every four years or >>>>> so, when your “settled” date just happens to correspond with the >>>>> right lunar phase? >>>> >>>> We don't have Christmas only when there's a bright star in the east. >>>> >>>> It's like saying "I was born on a Wednesday, so I'll only celebrate >>>> my birthday when it falls on a Wednesday". >>> >>> The reason I fix Christmas to a Sunday has been my observation that >>> arranging a family Christmas is substantially more convenient when it >>> falls on a weekend than in the middle of the week. Given that Christmas >>> is the most important holiday in the year, should we not all get at >>> least a 3-day weekend, which we have for lesser holidays? >> >> Less than around 30% of the world population cares about Christmas or >> Easter or think that "Christmas is the most important holiday in the >> year". > > Well, but for those who don't it doesn't really matter one way or the other > what day Christmas and Easter Sunday are, does it? So what relevance do they > have for you to bring them along? Or was it just the desire to sound clever? That a calendar serves a purpose beyond keeping track of regional, ethnic, or religious "celebrations" of one small group. And trying to come up with a new calendar fixating on Christmas is about as logical as fixating on Waitangi Day. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
From: Peter T. Daniels on 19 Feb 2010 18:14 On Feb 19, 1:02 pm, Cheryl <cperk...(a)mun.ca> wrote: > Halmyre wrote: > > On 19 Feb, 09:12, John Atkinson <johna...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Halmyre wrote: > >>> On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> "Andrew Usher" <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:65e2a2e7-1aef-4872-97a7-360fa6a10a6a(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > >>>>> Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar, > >>>>> and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I > >>>>> say the following: > >>>>> 1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be > >>>>> the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries > >>>>> the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not > >>>>> normally. > >>>>> 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15 > >>>>> weeks following Christmas. > >>>>> 3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every > >>>>> fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a > >>>>> Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near > >>>>> enough. > >>>>> 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first > >>>>> day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption, > >>>>> and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1, > >>>>> and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this > >>>>> calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain > >>>>> week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days > >>>>> before Christmas. > >>>>> 6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, > >>>>> without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days > >>>>> inherited from the Romans. > >>>>> Andrew Usher > >>>> The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in > >>>> fine as it is > >>> I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it. > >> But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might as > >> well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that we > >> only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your settled > >> date just happens to correspond with the right lunar phase? > > > We don't have Christmas only when there's a bright star in the east. > > > It's like saying "I was born on a Wednesday, so I'll only celebrate my > > birthday when it falls on a Wednesday". > > > -- > > Halmyre > > I suppose it all comes down to how much predictability each person > likes. Some people like all their holidays to come at the same time each > year, and others are happy to put up with Easter, for example, coming > late some years because other years it comes nice and early, which makes > a much-needed break in a long winter. I never did consider Easter to be > necessarily a spring holiday, myself. > > Of course, people living in places where they already have public > holidays in all three of the dreary months of January, February and > March wouldn't greet an early Easter with as much enthusiasm as I do. > > And I know Easter doesn't occur in January or February, but they seem > much longer than they are when Easter comes in the latter part of April; > and slightly shorter than they are when I have a March Easter to look > forward to. > > I want an official long holiday weekend in every single month, no > exceptions. I thought they should have used MLK Day to commemorate the March on Washington, rather than his birthday, since there are no holidays in August.
From: Andrew Usher on 19 Feb 2010 18:30 On Feb 19, 4:56 pm, j...(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > Well, but for those who don't it doesn't really matter one way or the other > > what day Christmas and Easter Sunday are, does it? So what relevance do they > > have for you to bring them along? Or was it just the desire to sound clever? > That a calendar serves a purpose beyond keeping track of regional, ethnic, > or religious "celebrations" of one small group. It's hardly a small group, indeed perhaps larger than that for any other significant holiday in the world. And the Gregorian calendar that we use as already European-centered. > And trying to come up with a new calendar fixating on Christmas is about > as logical as fixating on Waitangi Day. This is just West-bashing. Andrew Usher
From: Robert Bannister on 19 Feb 2010 19:03
John Atkinson wrote: > Halmyre wrote: >> On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> "Andrew Usher" <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:65e2a2e7-1aef-4872-97a7-360fa6a10a6a(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the calendar, >>>> and attempting in passing to create a more perfect Church calendar, I >>>> say the following: >>>> 1. That Christmas day should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be >>>> the Sunday between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries >>>> the Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not >>>> normally. >>>> 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the Sunday which is 15 >>>> weeks following Christmas. >>>> 3. That the leap year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every >>>> fourth save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a >>>> Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which is near >>>> enough. >>>> 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by considering the first >>>> day of the year of weeks to occur on the Sunday after the Assumption, >>>> and if this is the first possible calendar day, it is called week 1, >>>> and otherwise week 2, and every year runs through week 53. And this >>>> calendar ensures that everything can be fixed to a day of a certain >>>> week, in particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days >>>> before Christmas. >>>> 6. This is surely the best possible arrangement that can be made, >>>> without disturbing the cycle of weeks or that of calendar days >>>> inherited from the Romans. >>>> Andrew Usher >>> The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe habe in >>> fine as it is >> I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it. >> > But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might as > well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that we > only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your “settled” > date just happens to correspond with the right lunar phase? Really, the whole point of Easter is celebrating the coming of northern hemisphere Spring, so it were better to change the date completely. -- Rob Bannister |