The safest Browser is IE7 [Mozilla]

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From: Charani on 31 Mar 2007 04:59

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:36:22 -0500, businessman(a)nomail.com wrote:

> It's easy to talk, isn't it !!!!

Action's easy too!!!!

> I'd love to get rid of Windows, but these days one cant do much with
> DOS, and OS2 is dead. Of course there's always the Macintosh if one
> can afford them.

Macs are no more expensive than PCs (but you either haven't been to a
computer store or checked online recently).

Dell are now in the process of having PCs shipped with Linux
installed. Oh!! You haven't heard of Linux? I guess that's hardly
surprising really since you're in the business of trying to get people
with sense and intelligence who've dumped Windows to use it again so
as to bolster the latter's slow but steadily declining share of the
market.

From: default on 31 Mar 2007 12:14

From: businessman on 31 Mar 2007 14:37

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:17:09 GMT, Zaghadka <zaghadka(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:32:19 -0500, in alt.fan.mozilla, businessman(a)nomail.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:09:00 +0000 (UTC), john sumner
>><josumner1965(a)cs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>SteveG <_@_._> wrote in
>>>news:IOcPh.2813$NK2.1637(a)text.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
>>>> John may (or may not) lack comprehension skills but I have to tell you
>>>> that "validify" is NOT an English word. I'm guessing your American and
>>>> exercising your "right" to make up words just because you don't know the
>>>> correct one to use. Try "validate" instead :-)
>>>>
>>>> <flame proof jacket now donned in anticipation of impending tirade> <BCG>
>>>
>>>I do have comprehension skills i just think this guy who started this is a
>>>troll who is in love with microsoft
>>
>>I am the guy that started this thread, and I amd not a troll, because
>>I DID NOT make the website that listed these facts and figures.
>>Why dont you go to the site yourself. Look at the bar on the left.
>>Each of these 3 browsers are listed with several versions. I am
>>trying to get opinions. I find it hard to believe that FF 1.x was
>>less secure than IE6. I will not say what I believe about IE7 since I
>>have not used it. I would hope that MS fixed the security issues, but
>>they dont always keep up with things.
>>
>>GO HERE:
>>http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2007/03/22/701346.aspx
>
>If you were seriously pooling opinions, your post would have been well served
>by a simple question mark in the header.
>
>i.e.: "The safest Browser is IE7?"
>
>MSMVP stands for professionals who make the best money when everyone uses
>nothing but Microsoft products. Any article on that site isn't even a biased
>opinion. Their opinions are literally *twisted*.
>
No, I didn't know what MSMVP stood for.

Aside from all of this, I have still not found anyone on here that
actually has any factual information about browser security. Does
such data exist? I use both the latest Firefox and IE6. I never feel
very safe with IE, but there are times I need it. Either way, I'd
like to see some non-biased FACTS about security in all 3 of these
browsers, or at least Firefox and IE, (and several versions). I dont
really care much about Opera or want to use it, but it would be
interesting to see all of them compared.

>I'd disregard the article and start over with some reasonable biased sources, a
>few from each side of the software divide (proprietary vs. free).
>
OK, lets see some non-biased sources. Since this is a Firefox group,
I'd think that someone would at lest have some facts about FF, (but
not from Mozilla). And yes, I am well aware that browsers can be set
more or less securely. For example, I just read an article about AOL
having an flash ad on their site that was installing spyware called
WINFIXER that would pop up on a screen every few minutes. Flash
Player is something I avoid at all costs. It means I can not view the
videos on sites like YouTube, but who cares. Flash Player is a big
danger these days. I'd suspect ANY browser that runs Flash Player
would get this thing, so it comes down to security settings. But
there are also built in things (like activex) that affect the levels
and that is what I want to know about.

>The facts being based on "insecure installations" is the dead giveaway. If you
>run on an MS system, especially pre-P2, it's an insecure installation because
>of the platform. And I doubt the MSMVP's know a darned thing about what a
>"secure" Linux installation looks like. They probably thought not having a
>software Firewall installed makes the installation insecure, because you need
>to have that with MS products, because the security model is so screwed up and
>most folks run MS products as ROOT.
>
>Start over if you're serious about opinions.

From: businessman on 31 Mar 2007 15:13

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:23:52 GMT, Zaghadka <zaghadka(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:05:29 GMT, in alt.fan.mozilla, Leonidas Jones wrote:
>
>>businessman(a)nomail.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:56:49 -0500, John Thompson
>>> <john(a)vector.os2.dhs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2007-03-30, businessman(a)nomail.com <businessman(a)nomail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hate to break this to everyone, but according to
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2007/03/22/701346.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> IE7 is now the safest browser.
>>>> The common denominator on these seens to be Windows. Get rid of Windows
>>>> and your spyware issue vanishes.
>>>
>>> It's easy to talk, isn't it !!!!
>>> I'd love to get rid of Windows, but these days one cant do much with
>>> DOS, and OS2 is dead. Of course there's always the Macintosh if one
>>> can afford them.
>>
>>You never heard of Linux? Free distro's, if you've never tried it
>>Ubuntu is very user friendly:
>>
>>http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>I second that, get Ubuntu. I dual-boot into it right now and it runs like a
>dream, after you work out the kinks. It's very different from a Windows
>environment, but you can find all the support you need on the web. The folder
>structure is the most difficult thing to get used to, especially if you're used
>to the level of direct control and user-centricity of the Windows/DOS model.
>Things are not stored by app and vendor, but instead by function to the
>computer system, divided by user.
>
>And if you haven't drunk the "free software" Kool-aid, and want to get things
>like restricted software and proprietary drivers, you will also want to look
>into a script called "Automatix" that takes care of things like the Totem media
>player, so you can play your DVDs.
>
>Both ATi and Nvidia have good Linux video drivers, though I hear Nvidia's
>better at it. I have an ATi card. They're a bear to install, and the module
>needs to be rebuilt anytime you upgrade your kernel. But it's do-able, and
>there are good step-by-step guides for everything.
>
>Good luck.

Yes, i have heard of Linux and yes, I even tried it once. That was
about 10 years ago. I had run dos, win3.x, win95, and OS2. I was
able to use all of them. Then I tried Linux. My instant reaction was
"what a POS". I want to USE my computer. I want to use standard
software that I can buy or download and is compatible with the rest of
the world, and I DO NOT want to spend my whole life in front of my
computer trying to tinker with the OS. I'll leave Linux for some kid
who has no life outside of their computer. It reminds me of some kid
who builds their own car in their garage, but has to spend more than
half their life keeping it running. I buy commercial cars, and I will
stick to commercial software (at least the operating system, since I
do use some freeware and shareware). Windows has it's flaws, but it
works and dont need constant attention. Dos also works, and I still
use it too. OS2 was a challenge, but it worked quite well despite the
lack of software for it. If anything should have been further
developed, it should have been OS2, not Linux.

Half of what you said in your post I did not even understand. I
congratulate you for successfully using Linux, but it's not for me. I
have a life outside of my computer. Linux might be great for the geek
types whose entire lives are their computer, but it's not for me. If
windows ever becomes too much trouble, I'd turn my pc into a dos only
machine and get a Macintosh. However, I dont forsee that happening
since even if MS is a company I dont care to like, I know they do at
least attempt to keep up with things. At the same time, if they
abandon all OSs except Vista, I may change my mind. I have no
interest in Vista whatsoever. To be quite honest, I'm tired of having
to change and relearn software every few years. To me, a computer is
a tool. Yet it seems everytime I get real good at using a tool, I am
supposed to get a new tool and start all over. I cont like that at
all, and THAT is my biggest complaint about MS.

From: John Thompson on 31 Mar 2007 17:53

On 2007-03-31, businessman(a)nomail.com <businessman(a)nomail.com> wrote:

>>The common denominator on these seens to be Windows. Get rid of Windows
>>and your spyware issue vanishes.

> It's easy to talk, isn't it !!!!
> I'd love to get rid of Windows, but these days one cant do much with
> DOS, and OS2 is dead. Of course there's always the Macintosh if one
> can afford them.

Linux, *BSD, and Solaris all are free and quite capable operating
systems.

--

John (john(a)os2.dhs.org)

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