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From: eric gisse on 28 Jul 2010 15:38
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
[...]

> There is no such thing as "frame dragging", AE attempted to use
> the concept (religiously) from Mach's Inertial Conjecture, that
> has now been completely discredited, but lives on in pop-sci.
> Ken

Stop lying, Ken.
From: Paul B. Andersen on 28 Jul 2010 17:13
On 28.07.2010 01:13, Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> On Jul 27, 12:23 am, eric gisse<jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> MST eliminates artifacts (such as Frame Drag) and enables the
>>> inertial
>>> effects in the geodesic.
>>
>> Ken, when are you going to stop lying about frame dragging?
>
> You should avoid using pop-sci sensational articles to support
> your thinking.
>
>> You've been
>> sourced on its' multiple independent observations many times over the last
>> decade.
>
> 1) It's NASA's conclusion (having spent $500,000,000 on GP-b),
> in consultation with theoreticians, that 'frame dragging' cannot be
> measured, I agree with that scientifically measured conclusion.

In which pop-sci sensational article did you read that?
The truth is that frame dragging was measured by GPB.
But you knew that, didn't you?

> 2) Do you (Eric) know how to transform imaginary CS's to real?
> If you do then provide a simple demo,
> then following that predict 'frame dragging'.
> Ken


--
Paul

http://home.c2i.net/pb_andersen/
From: mpc755 on 28 Jul 2010 18:33
On Jul 28, 11:00 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> On Jul 28, 5:07 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 6:35 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 27, 10:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 28, 12:34 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 27, 8:58 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 27, 9:43 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 27, 6:16 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 7:13 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 12:23 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > [...]
>
> > > > > > > > > > >  MST eliminates artifacts (such as Frame Drag) and enables the
> > > > > > > > > > > inertial
> > > > > > > > > > > effects in the geodesic.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Ken, when are you going to stop lying about frame dragging?
>
> > > > > > > > > You should avoid using pop-sci sensational articles to support
> > > > > > > > > your thinking.
>
> > > > > > > > > > You've been
> > > > > > > > > > sourced on its' multiple independent observations many times over the last
> > > > > > > > > > decade.
>
> > > > > > > > > 1) It's NASA's conclusion (having spent $500,000,000 on GP-b),
> > > > > > > > > in consultation with theoreticians, that 'frame dragging' cannot be
> > > > > > > > > measured, I agree with that scientifically measured conclusion.
>
> > > > > > > > > 2) Do you (Eric) know how to transform imaginary CS's to real?
> > > > > > > > > If you do then provide a simple demo,
> > > > > > > > > then following that predict 'frame dragging'.
> > > > > > > > > Ken
>
> > > > > > > > Frame dragging is a change in the state of displaced dark matter
> > > > > > > > caused by the moving Earth.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > Energy does not drag space. It moves in it.
>
> > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > > Frame dragging is a change in the state of displaced dark matter
> > > > > > caused by the moving Earth.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > The Earth is a turning flow of energy in the round geometry of its own
> > > > > gravity field. Anything that matter does cannot drag space.
>
> > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > Frame dragging is a change in the state of displaced dark matter
> > > > caused by the moving Earth.
>
> > > There is no such thing as "frame dragging", AE attempted to use
> > > the concept (religiously) from Mach's Inertial Conjecture, that
> > > has now been completely discredited, but lives on in pop-sci.
> > > Ken
>
> > A bowling ball has millions of tiny holes throughout out it. The
> > bowling ball rolls down a ramp in a tank of water. The bowling ball
> > displaces the water as it rolls down the ramp. The water 'falls away'
> > from the bowling ball as the bowling ball continues down the ramp and
> > displaces different sections of water in the tank. This is what is
> > described as 'frame dragging'.
>
> Yes, I'm quite sure Gisse is enlightend, by that too,
> if yous only knew how to bowl.
> Ken

'Einstein's Warped View of Space Confirmed'
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/warp_space_041020.html

<begin quote>

"Earth's spin warps space around the planet, according to a new study
that confirms a key prediction of Einstein's general theory of
relativity. After 11 years of watching the movements of two Earth-
orbiting satellites, researchers found each is dragged by about 6 feet
(2 meters) every year because the very fabric of space is twisted by
our whirling world. The results, announced today, are much more
precise than preliminary findings published by the same group in the
late 1990s.

Frame dragging

The effect is called frame dragging. It is a modification to the
simpler aspects of gravity set out by Newton. Working from Einstein's
relativity theory, Austrian physicists Joseph Lense and Hans Thirring
predicted frame dragging in 1918. (It is also known as the Lense-
Thirring effect.)

Here's how it works:

Any object with mass warps the space-time around it, in much the same
way as a heavy object deforms a stretched elastic sheet, explained
study leader Ignazio Ciufolini of the Università di Lecce in Italy. If
the space around Earth is being frame-dragged, then satellites ought
to be caught up in the deformation, scientists reasoned. Imagine how a
second object on the elastic sheet would be moved by the scrunching
motion created as the sheet is deformed. Ciufolini's team analyzed
millions of laser signals bounced off two satellites, called LAGEOS
and LAGEOS 2. Both are highly reflective spheres not designed to do
any work of their own. They look like 2-foot-diameter (0.6m) golf
balls and contain no batteries or electronics. The researchers say
their result is 99 percent of the predicted drag, with an error of up
to 10 percent. The details will be reported in the Oct. 21 issue of
the journal Nature. The analysis is "the first reasonably accurate
measurement of frame-dragging," said physicist Neil Ashby of the
University of Colorado in Boulder."

<end quote>

The Earth displaces dark matter. The Earth spins, which is another
displacement of the dark matter. The spinning Earth displaces the dark
matter "in the same way as the elastic sheet would be twisted by a
spinning heavy wheel on it."
From: BURT on 28 Jul 2010 18:37
On Jul 28, 8:00 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> On Jul 28, 5:07 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 6:35 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 27, 10:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 28, 12:34 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 27, 8:58 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 27, 9:43 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 27, 6:16 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 7:13 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 12:23 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > [...]
>
> > > > > > > > > > >  MST eliminates artifacts (such as Frame Drag) and enables the
> > > > > > > > > > > inertial
> > > > > > > > > > > effects in the geodesic.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Ken, when are you going to stop lying about frame dragging?
>
> > > > > > > > > You should avoid using pop-sci sensational articles to support
> > > > > > > > > your thinking.
>
> > > > > > > > > > You've been
> > > > > > > > > > sourced on its' multiple independent observations many times over the last
> > > > > > > > > > decade.
>
> > > > > > > > > 1) It's NASA's conclusion (having spent $500,000,000 on GP-b),
> > > > > > > > > in consultation with theoreticians, that 'frame dragging' cannot be
> > > > > > > > > measured, I agree with that scientifically measured conclusion.
>
> > > > > > > > > 2) Do you (Eric) know how to transform imaginary CS's to real?
> > > > > > > > > If you do then provide a simple demo,
> > > > > > > > > then following that predict 'frame dragging'.
> > > > > > > > > Ken
>
> > > > > > > > Frame dragging is a change in the state of displaced dark matter
> > > > > > > > caused by the moving Earth.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > Energy does not drag space. It moves in it.
>
> > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > > Frame dragging is a change in the state of displaced dark matter
> > > > > > caused by the moving Earth.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > The Earth is a turning flow of energy in the round geometry of its own
> > > > > gravity field. Anything that matter does cannot drag space.
>
> > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > Frame dragging is a change in the state of displaced dark matter
> > > > caused by the moving Earth.
>
> > > There is no such thing as "frame dragging", AE attempted to use
> > > the concept (religiously) from Mach's Inertial Conjecture, that
> > > has now been completely discredited, but lives on in pop-sci.
> > > Ken
>
> > A bowling ball has millions of tiny holes throughout out it. The
> > bowling ball rolls down a ramp in a tank of water. The bowling ball
> > displaces the water as it rolls down the ramp. The water 'falls away'
> > from the bowling ball as the bowling ball continues down the ramp and
> > displaces different sections of water in the tank. This is what is
> > described as 'frame dragging'.
>
> Yes, I'm quite sure Gisse is enlightend, by that too,
> if yous only knew how to bowl.
> Ken- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The geometry of space is built on a wrong curve. Space is not
parabolic but round.

Mitch Raemsch
From: Ken S. Tucker on 28 Jul 2010 20:47
On Jul 28, 2:13 pm, "Paul B. Andersen" <some...(a)somewhere.no> wrote:
> On 28.07.2010 01:13, Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 27, 12:23 am, eric gisse<jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> >> [...]
>
> >>> MST eliminates artifacts (such as Frame Drag) and enables the
> >>> inertial
> >>> effects in the geodesic.
>
> >> Ken, when are you going to stop lying about frame dragging?
>
> > You should avoid using pop-sci sensational articles to support
> > your thinking.
>
> >> You've been
> >> sourced on its' multiple independent observations many times over the last
> >> decade.
>
> > 1) It's NASA's conclusion (having spent $500,000,000 on GP-b),
> > in consultation with theoreticians, that 'frame dragging' cannot be
> > measured, I agree with that scientifically measured conclusion.
>
> In which pop-sci sensational article did you read that?
> The truth is that frame dragging was measured by GPB.
> But you knew that, didn't you?

Paul I respect your posts about SR's aberation, however
that effect can be extended to GR, please see (and comment)
on 'Modern SpaceTime' and down to 'MST & Kerr metrics',
(it's just briefs),
http://physics.trak4.com/

I'm finding even pro GRists's don't understand the difference
between a perihelion rotation and a 'frame drag' so I don't
expect casual lay posters to spr to understand the distinction.

Splitting hairs, NASA did measure 'frame dragging' and found
it to be nil (in the noise), as we predicted.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
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