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From: z on 27 Nov 2008 23:45 On Nov 26, 12:22 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Besides, models only model LINEAR systems ! well, i'm writing you off my list of consultants. take home exam: model the current vs voltage through a 1 ohm resistor which bunrns out at 1 watt of power dissipation, as the voltage goes from 0.5 volts to 1.5 volts, then explain how this is or isn't linear.
From: Don Klipstein on 27 Nov 2008 23:51 In article <Q7ednZfsQa2dprrURVn_vwA(a)giganews.com>, Me wrote: > >The world has never seen such freezing heat > >By Christopher Booker, UK Telegraph, 16/11/2008 > >A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark >about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over >global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies >(GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James >Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global >temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on >record. > >This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal >snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great >Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official >news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm >ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration >registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures >for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 >years. The past winter had the most significant La Nina in 20 years. And I suspect that over 99% of the world did not set any alltime temperature lows. Most of the world did not even achieve 20 year temperature lows. The world as a whole achieved only lowest temperature in about 8 years despite greatest surge of a cooling mechanism in 20 years. >So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps >seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to >10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two >leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, >began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing >discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of >temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on >October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply >been carried over and repeated two months running. > >The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - >run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the >Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the >notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its >figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for >the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a >new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were >showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that >three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same >time last year. > >A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the >Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and >that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control >over the data it was supplied with. This is an astonishing admission: >the figures published by Dr Hansen's institute are not only one of the >four data sets that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change >(IPCC) relies on to promote its case for global warming, but they are >the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher >temperatures than the others. > >If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the >alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in >train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired >by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making >extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in >the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of >criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds >that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far >outweigh any damage they had done themselves.) > >Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's >methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr >Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface >temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was >not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s. And his enemies this year attacked him with cites showing 1998 to be the hottest year globally. That includes Hadley Centre, showing hottest 5-calendar-year-stretch on record to be the one ending before the major 2007-2008 La Nina started. >Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the >IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by >claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much >faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in >the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they >have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped. Because of a major La Nina, looks like most major one in 20 years, and that one still only managed to set 8 year lows in global temperature. >Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in >climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on >the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to >embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to >remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which >should give us all pause for thought. > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml&site=15&page=0 - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: z on 27 Nov 2008 23:52 On Nov 26, 7:00 pm, bill.slo...(a)ieee.org wrote: > > > > Besides, models only model LINEAR systems ! > > > > Oh really? Then the Spice models of transistors (which exhibit an > > > expotential - not linear - relationship between base voltage and > > > collector current) don't exist. > > > That IS a linear system as we describe them now. > > This is a minority opinion. Any student sharing it with their examiner > would fail that aspect of their exam, but since you clearly exercise > your mind by believing six impossible things before breakfast I > suppose we can write this off as part of the price you pay to maintain > your genius-level IQ. well to be fair, he only said "linear"; could be he didn't mean the usual sense of "straight line"ar, could be he means curvilnear or "broken line"ar or "dotted line"ar or ... 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.' it's the 'scornful tone' that's so characteristic.
From: Don Klipstein on 28 Nov 2008 00:21 In article <pan.2008.11.22.00.25.06.624277(a)example.net>, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote: >On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:00:00 +0000, Me wrote: >... >> Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate >> science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis >> of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to embark on >> some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a >> problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us >> all pause for thought. >> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml= >>/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml&site=15&page=0 That unseasonal snow in America's Great Plains mentioned in the second paragraph is something that has always happened every few years. While Philadelphia had unusually late first freezing temperature reading of autumn 2008 being over a week into November. As for someplace getting "worst snowstorm ever" - I have yet to go more than 3 years in my life without hearing about someplace getting "worst snowstorm ever" since 1977. Some places in the world will actually have snowfall increase (and some of those will have snowfall increasing only temporarily) should global warming proceed as predicted by proponents of its existence. 115 monthly lows in one month in USA among so many thousands of official measuring stations? Looks like not too unusual to me! 70th warmest October out of 114 - so October 2008 was a cooler month that some AGW-denialist saw for making a claim that global warming does not exist (while some of the weather patterns lingering from the greatest La Nina in 20 years still did). What will that source say is the USA's or better still the globe's temperature for the whole year of 2008? So there's supposed to be lack of AGW if an early self-corrected report from NASA's GISS that October 2008 being the world's hottest October on record can be disproved? How about looking at sources that The Register has used to attack Nasa's GISS earlier this year? Such as "Temperature Lower Troposphere" channel of RSS interpretation of satellite data on atmospheric temperature? And look at what they have since 1979, as opposed to The Register showing a graph of that over a time period starting with including the 1998 spike from the greatest El Nino on record, and ending with including most of the depths of the greatest La Nina in 20 years. The UAH alternative to RSS for interpretation of satellite atmospheric temperature readings shows a bit less warming than RSS does, but is widely considered less accurate and RSS is good enough for The Register! How about HadCRUT-3v? The Register used that to attack NASA's GISS and their best-known scientist Hansen. They did so in an article that as of now still exists and links to a current graph of HadCRUT-3v, unsmoothed-annual and smoothed on the same page, and that shows most of the warming that Hansen claimed despite what that article says (and even says with a graph of Hansen global temperature determination with typos in half the figures along the ordinate). http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/a_tale_of_two_thermometers/ Keep in mind that NASA's GISS has "anomaly" for global temperature appearing to me to be continuing their definition since they started tracking that to be the 1951-1980 average, while HadCRUT anomalies are from the 1961-1990 average. And if you don't like NASA's GISS, then have a look at what was used by "The Register" for attacking Nasa's GISS - RSS "temperature lower troposphere" and HadCRUT-3v show most of the global warming that NASA's GISS does! - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: Don Klipstein on 28 Nov 2008 00:23
In article <4928C3BC.F282C301(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote: > >Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote: > >> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:21:04 +0000, Eeyore wrote: >> > Richard The Dreaded Libertarian wrote: >> >> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:00:00 +0000, Me wrote: ... >> >> > Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in >> >> > climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on >> >> > the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to >> >> > embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to >> >> > remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which >> >> > should give us all pause for thought. >> >> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Content/displayPrintable.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml&site=15&page=0 >> >> >> >> Hear, Hear! >> > >> > Crikey ! You do know it's a right wing paper I hope ? ;~) >> >> That's irrelevant when what they're saying is true. > >I was just pulling your leg for fun ! ;~) > >Yes, even right-wingers can be right some of the time. You know as Parliament debated the latest Climate Change Bill here >in the UK as snow fell on the roof for the first time that early in the year since 1922 it was our former Conservative MP >for St Albans who queried the basis of it all. Previously I had no respect for the man other than he helped my g/f get >her new car put right by BL when the dealers couldn't. > >The Speaker of the House did what ? He told him to 'shut up' ! I thought Parliament was for debate. > >A very well-considered critic of AGW here is the former Conservative Cabiner Minister Nigel Lawson too. I had no time >for the man back then either. But he can see the fraud. > >I want to see those heads in baskets by the 10s of thousands. > >Don't forget the world's COOLING btw ! According to *WHAT* besides sources cherrypicking onto a decade starting with the greatest El Nino on record and ending with the greatest La Nina in 20 years? - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com) |