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From: Eeyore on 3 Dec 2008 22:03 V for Vendicar wrote: > > V for Vendicar wrote: > >> Ya well KKKonservative Christians have never been very bright. > > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > > Never met a Socialist or Liberal Christian ? > > I have, and they have all been vastly brighter than KKKonservatives. I won't argue with that ! Graham
From: Don Klipstein on 3 Dec 2008 22:02 In article <492F5D21.ED2E91C8(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore wrote: > >Whata Fool wrote: > >> bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote: >> > >> >The oxygen and nitrogen molecules exchange energy with carbon dioxide >> >molecules whenever they collide, so the carbon dioxide radiates for >> >them. >> >> Ignoring water vapor again? Is that a mental problem, or >> an order from control? > >LMFAO ! > >I though it was an acknowledged fact that water vapour is the big factor >in climate. Water vapor accounts for 36-66% of GHG effect, and CO2 accounts for another 9-26%. - Don KLipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: Eeyore on 3 Dec 2008 22:06 V for Vendicar wrote: > >> That old chestnut again. If you knew anything at all about the theory > >> behind anthropogenic global warming you'd be aware that the 800 year lag > >> in the ice core data reflects the delay between the small Milankovitch > >> warming/cooling due to the change in the Earth's orientation and the > >> subsequent movement of CO2 out of (warming) or into (cooling) the > >> oceans, which is one of the positive feedback effects that make the > >> theory work. > > "Bill Ward" <bward(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote > > That's downright loony. That much positive feedback would drive the > > system to the rail. Sounds like it's too late for you, you've already > > drunk the KoolAid. > > Stupid. Stupid Ward. Can't understand that it takes 800 years for the > oceans to warm and release the CO2 they stored during the previous 80,000 > year long ice age. I thought that was what he was saying at some earlier point. I mean it's obvious that CO2 must lag temperature by that process. If we produce more CO2 by industrial etc means, who knows what happens ? Probably zilch since CO2 is such a weak GHG. It's just the AGW religion that thinks otherwise. Graham
From: Eeyore on 3 Dec 2008 22:07 Bill Ward wrote: > The CO2 lags the temperature. Easily provable using a bottle of carbonated drink and warming it. Graham
From: Don Klipstein on 3 Dec 2008 22:11
In article <7sj0j45hsns3g2j46526q1rcm80gsja0n7(a)4ax.com>, Whata Fool wrote: >bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote: > >>On 28 nov, 03:53, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >>wrote: >>> Whata Fool wrote: >>> > bill.slo...(a)ieee.org wrote: >>> >>> > >The oxygen and nitrogen molecules exchange energy with carbon dioxide >>> > >molecules whenever they collide, so the carbon dioxide radiates for >>> > >them. >>> >>> > Ignoring water vapor again? Is that a mental problem, or >>> > an order from control? >>> >>> LMFAO ! >>> >>> I though it was an acknowledged fact that water vapour is the big factor in climate. >> >>Whata Fool doesn't seem to appreciate that there isn't much water >>vapour in the stratosphere - at -55C the vapour pressure of water is >>low enough that it's a waste of time to include it in the model. >> >>He doesn't seem to know much more science than you do. > > > Radiation at -55 C and barometric pressure of .5 PSI may >not mean much, and the water vapor in the troposphere can easily >absorb any small amount of radiation headed downward from the >stratosphere and send half of it upward. And the other half downward. > Since you seem to concede that the N2 and O2 would be hotter >without GHGs, doesn't that mean GHGs cool the whole atmosphere? GHGs cool the upper atmosphere and warm the surface, which warms the lower atmosphere. Increase of GHGs will cause the lapse rate to increase where it can, and most of the world is covered by air lacking vertical convection. When surface warming causes loss of snow and ice cover, global reception of solar radiation increases. Most of the world covered by snow and ice has upward mobility in lapse rate from surface to tropopause. > The mass of the N2 and O2 is huge, and it takes time to cool >it after convection from the ground warms it. Daily up-down in temperature tends to be down to just a few degrees above the 850 mb level, and something like a degree or two above the 500 mb level. Thermal time constant (in response to change in radiation balance) of the atmosphere as a whole is something like a few weeks. > So much for "greenhouse theory". - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com) |