There is no physical length contraction or physical length expansion
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From: glird on 18 Jun 2010 11:23 On Jun 18, 10:20 am, NoEinstein wrote: > > Dear Burt: Come out of the "Dark Ages" man! Light > isn't WAVES. It is photons (energy quanta) only! Dear NotEinstein: Despite the fact that in a reaction between an atom and a transient light a quantum of energy is absorbed or released, the light isn't made of quantities of energy ("photons". It consist of em WAVES. >< Light doesn't need a medium to travel in. It goes across the Swiss Cheese voids (no ether) between galaxies with no problem at all.> The only voids that exists in the Universe are in the heads of people who believe that a quantum of energy and/or a light wave can exist in one. >< If, as you suppose, light requires a medium, then we wouldn't be able to see anything beyond the Milky Way Galaxy. > If,as you suppose, a void fills the space between atoms, we wouldn't exist; and even if we did, we wouldn't be able to see anything at all. glird
From: PD on 18 Jun 2010 11:38 On Jun 18, 9:08 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On Jun 15, 9:47 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > "kenseto" <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote in message > > >news:242a9782-3a6b-43d7-a0f1-b6b940b89f05(a)e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > > > > There is no physical length contraction or physical length expansion. > > > Define 'physical' > > Physical means material. No, it does not. You've made this mistake before. An electric field is not material. It contains energy. It is very physical. >...there is no material contraction in SR. > That's why the more learned SRians invented geometric contraction and > geometric contraction is an apparent effect. > > > > > > New physics says that the physical length of a meter stick remains the > > > same in all frames. > > > No. Its proper length does, its spatial length does not. Define which of > > those is 'physical' and explain why the other one isn't > > Peoper length is physical....geometric projection length is not > physical. Just as I see you to be shorter from a distance is not > physical. > > Ken Seto > > > > > [snip irrelevant IRT bullshit] > >
From: Sam on 18 Jun 2010 12:18 On Jun 15, 8:11 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > There is no physical length contraction or physical length expansion. > New physics says that the physical length of a meter stick remains the > same in all frames. However, the light-path length of a meter stick > moving wrt an observer is predicted to be shorter or longer than the > light-path length of the observer's meter stick.and the light-path > length of the observer's meter stick is assumed to be its physical > length. This interpretation resolves all the paradoxes of SR. This > interpretation is included in a new theory of relativity called IRT. > IRT includes SRT and LET as subsets. However, unlike SRT, the > equations of IRT are valid in all environments, including gravity. IRT > is described in the following link:http://www.modelmechanics.org/2008irt.dtg.pdf > > Ken Seto Ken--Relativity theory enjoys the fact that there have never been an observation that contradicts a prediction of relativity, special or general. Furthermore there are direct confirmations of many of relativity's prediction. In indirect confirmation of many others. There is little doubt that observer dependent measurements of relativistic effects are valid. Particle accelerators work! GPS works! Cosmic ray muons' path to the earth's surface is foreshortened! The Perihelion precession of Mercury is correctly predicted. Let's face it, Ken. You are wrong and relativity is correct. What is the experimental basis of Special Relativity?http:// math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html
From: BURT on 18 Jun 2010 12:56 On Jun 18, 8:23 am, glird <gl...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Jun 18, 10:20 am, NoEinstein wrote: > > > > > Dear Burt: Come out of the "Dark Ages" man! Light > > isn't WAVES. It is photons (energy quanta) only! > > Dear NotEinstein: Despite the fact that in a reaction between an > atom and a transient light a quantum of energy is absorbed or > released, the light isn't made of quantities of energy ("photons". It > consist of em WAVES. > > >< Light doesn't need a medium to travel in. It goes across the Swiss Cheese voids (no ether) between galaxies with no problem at all.> > > The only voids that exists in the Universe are in the heads of > people who believe that a quantum of energy and/or a light wave can > exist in one. > > >< If, as you suppose, light requires a medium, then we wouldn't be able to see anything beyond the Milky Way > > Galaxy. > > > If,as you suppose, a void fills the space between atoms, we wouldn't > exist; and even if we did, we wouldn't be able to see anything at all. > > glird I see you're in denial. Energy of ligtht is defined by its wave. Mitch Raemsch
From: kenseto on 18 Jun 2010 19:09
On Jun 18, 12:18 pm, Sam <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 15, 8:11 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > There is no physical length contraction or physical length expansion. > > New physics says that the physical length of a meter stick remains the > > same in all frames. However, the light-path length of a meter stick > > moving wrt an observer is predicted to be shorter or longer than the > > light-path length of the observer's meter stick.and the light-path > > length of the observer's meter stick is assumed to be its physical > > length. This interpretation resolves all the paradoxes of SR. This > > interpretation is included in a new theory of relativity called IRT. > > IRT includes SRT and LET as subsets. However, unlike SRT, the > > equations of IRT are valid in all environments, including gravity. IRT > > is described in the following link:http://www.modelmechanics.org/2008irt.dtg.pdf > > > Ken Seto > > Ken--Relativity theory enjoys the fact that there have never been an > observation that contradicts a prediction of relativity, special or > general. Furthermore there are direct confirmations of many of > relativity's prediction. In indirect confirmation of many others. > There > is little doubt that observer dependent measurements of relativistic > effects are valid. > > Particle accelerators work! GPS works! Cosmic ray muons' path to the > earth's surface is foreshortened! The Perihelion precession of Mercury > is correctly predicted. Wrong....the SR effect on the GPS is 7 us/day running slow. From the GPS point of view the SR effect is ~7 us/day running fast. The cosmic muon is able to reach the ground because its life time is gamma*2.2 us compared to the lab muon. Ken Seto > > Let's face it, Ken. You are wrong and relativity is correct. > > What is the experimental basis of Special Relativity?http:// > math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html |