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From: spudnik on 1 Apr 2010 21:33 yeah, I've read of your "prefered concept of the photon," but the problem is "the photon." you are conflating two things: a) the detection; b) the propogation of the EM energy. well, I have just grabbed the first book at the libraary that I noticed, today, _A Theory of Waves_, and it is really quite nice & general in its treatment of classical & quantum, although the math is heavy for me. so, I looked in the index for "photon," but it doesn't seem to be required -- just like when Young destroyeed Newton's corpuscle, a hundred years, after him. just grab any such book & look, before you commit yourself to further handwaving aetherfluff; see if you can descibe any single of the many properties of lightwaves, other than the photoelectrical effect! yeah, and have a nice rest of your life, and maybe study some Shakespeare (if you're going to continue to attempt to use English; seriously). > A photon propagates as a wave. The photon 'particle' (i.e. the portion > of the wave which collapses when detected) occupies a very small > region of the overall photon aether wave. > > A photon is a particle when detected. > > Why are you obsessed with not understanding this? Will it force you to thus: Doppler-shifting of sound is an everyday occurance, but how much of the redshifting that is seen in the sky, is a whole another matter, whether it is due to velocity, or to the medium of space (unless, like certain aetherists, you believe in an absolute vacuum, and so did Pascal, when he measured it .-) as for "Newton's algebraic version of Kepler's orbital constraints, that he manifestly stole from Hooke," isn't the problem of spiral galaxies where the whole urstuff of darkmatter darkenergy quintesscence is gotten? Lightcones are dead; long-live Minkowski! > If you want to gain a "meaningful understanding of SR", you should study it. > If you want an "interpretation", focus on studying Minkowski space time. > The frequency of a sound generated by a moving train definitely does really > change as its speed changes. Measure it for yourself if you don't believe > it. thus: yeah; the funny thing was, the Earth of Gauss and of Aristarchus was a part of some cosmography. (you, however, may be in your own me-verse; so, how does Shroedinger's cat smell, these days , thereat ?-) > Groan. --Light: A History! http://21stcenturysciencetech.com --NASCAR rules on rotary engines! http://white-smoke.wetpaint.com
From: mpc755 on 1 Apr 2010 23:09 On Apr 1, 9:33 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > yeah, I've read of your "prefered concept of the photon," but > the problem is "the photon." you are conflating two things: a) > the detection; b) > the propogation of the EM energy. Yes, hence the wave-particle characteristics of a photon. My preferred concept of a photon is as a directed/pointed wave which collapses and is detected as a quantum of matter. A photon propagates as a wave. The photon 'particle' (i.e. the portion of the wave which collapses when detected) occupies a very small region of the overall photon aether wave. A photon is a particle when detected. Why are you obsessed with not understanding this? Will it force you to revisit your incorrect understanding of nature? Your inability to explain observed physical behaviors without an aether, when the aether as a super fluid medium explains the observed physical behaviors, is evidence of aether. If it is physically impossible for anyone to comprehend how something can occur in nature, without resorting to absurd nonsense such as the future determines the past, when there is a perfectly reasonable explanation which not only answers the question being asked it explains what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity, it explains what occurs physically in nature to cause atomic clocks to tick at different rates, and it explains what occurs physically in nature in E=mc^2 where the mass does diminish but the matter which is the mass has not vanished it has expanded and transitioned into aether and the effect this transition has on the existing aether and matter is energy, then you might actually understand aether exists. A C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). While the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) detectors are placed at the exits to the slits. When there are detectors at the exits to the slits the C-60 molecule is always detected exiting a single slit. If the detectors are placed and removed from the exits to the slits while the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s) the C-60 molecule creates an interference pattern. Explain how this is possible without aether. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave." 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. In AD, the C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule always enters and exits a single slit while the associated aether displacement wave enters and exits the available slits. The displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference.
From: mpc755 on 2 Apr 2010 03:47 On Apr 2, 2:09 am, Timo Nieminen <t...(a)physics.uq.edu.au> wrote: > > So the test of aether theory is? What prediction of something > observable, that isn't predicted by existing theories, is there? > Without a test, isn't it untestable? > Experiments which will provide evidence of Aether Displacement: Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels.
From: mpc755 on 2 Apr 2010 04:23 On Apr 2, 2:09 am, Timo Nieminen <t...(a)physics.uq.edu.au> wrote: > > So the test of aether theory is? What prediction of something > observable, that isn't predicted by existing theories, is there? > Without a test, isn't it untestable? > Experiments which will provide evidence of Aether Displacement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels.
From: NoEinstein on 2 Apr 2010 13:41
On Apr 1, 9:33 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Dear Spudnik: The red shifts in the microwave background radiation are due to the AGING of the light... or, the photons are being wedged apart by crossing the paths of other photons. The further away one looks, the longer that WEDGING process has been going on. There is no expansion of the finite Universe taking place! NoEinstein > > yeah, I've read of your "prefered concept of the photon," but > the problem is "the photon." you are conflating two things: a) > the detection; b) > the propogation of the EM energy. well, > I have just grabbed the first book at the libraary > that I noticed, today, _A Theory of Waves_, and > it is really quite nice & general in its treatment > of classical & quantum, although the math is heavy for me. so, > I looked in the index for "photon," but > it doesn't seem to be required -- just like > when Young destroyeed Newton's corpuscle, a hundred years, > after him. > > just grab any such book & look, before > you commit yourself to further handwaving aetherfluff; > see if you can descibe any single of the many properties > of lightwaves, other than the photoelectrical effect! > > yeah, and have a nice rest of your life, and > maybe study some Shakespeare (if you're going > to continue to attempt to use English; seriously). > > > A photon propagates as a wave. The photon 'particle' (i.e. the portion > > of the wave which collapses when detected) occupies a very small > > region of the overall photon aether wave. > > > A photon is a particle when detected. > > > Why are you obsessed with not understanding this? Will it force you to > > thus: > Doppler-shifting of sound is an everyday occurance, but > how much of the redshifting that is seen in the sky, > is a whole another matter, whether it is due to velocity, or > to the medium of space (unless, > like certain aetherists, you believe in an absolute vacuum, and > so did Pascal, when he measured it .-) > > as for "Newton's algebraic version of Kepler's orbital constraints, > that he manifestly stole from Hooke," > isn't the problem of spiral galaxies where the whole urstuff > of darkmatter darkenergy quintesscence is gotten? > > Lightcones are dead; long-live Minkowski! > > > If you want to gain a "meaningful understanding of SR", you should study it. > > If you want an "interpretation", focus on studying Minkowski space time.. > > The frequency of a sound generated by a moving train definitely does really > > change as its speed changes. Measure it for yourself if you don't believe > > it. > > thus: > yeah; the funny thing was, the Earth of Gauss and > of Aristarchus was a part of some cosmography. (you, > however, may be in your own me-verse; so, > how does Shroedinger's cat smell, these days , thereat ?-) > > > Groan. > > --Light: A History!http://21stcenturysciencetech.com > > --NASCAR rules on rotary engines!http://white-smoke.wetpaint.com |