There is no time dilation or physical length contraction.
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From: BURT on 12 Nov 2009 17:32 On Nov 12, 2:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 12, 4:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 1:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 12, 4:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 12, 12:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 11:46 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 10:36 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is no time dilation. > > > > > > > > 1. Clocks in different frames runs at different rates. > > > > > > > > Clocks ticking at different rates has nothing to do with the present. > > > > > > > Clocks are tiking away right now everywhere else. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Yes, in the present. > > > > > > What I meant to say was: > > > > > > Clocks ticking at different rates has nothing to do with time. Clocks > > > > > all tick in the present. > > > > > Rates are determined by the time of the force of gravity and the time > > > > of motion of energy. Both rates are in one time. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Force of gravity is the force of the displaced aether pushing back on > > > the matter which displaced the aether. > > > > Motion of energy is motion of the aether. > > > > Time is a concept. > > > > There is only the present.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > This is flow science. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > It is Aether Displacement where aether is an elastic medium and is > displaced by matter and pushes back in an attempt to return to a state > of rest. The pushing back is gravity. Light propagates at 'c' relative > to the aether, just like any wave does in any medium. If you want to > call the motion of the aether flow science, go for it.- Hide quoted text - I have because it is a better concept than motion. > - Show quoted text -
From: PD on 12 Nov 2009 17:33 On Nov 12, 4:24 pm, harry <harald.vanlin...(a)epfl.ch> wrote: > On Nov 12, 10:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 12, 1:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 12, 4:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 12, 12:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 11:46 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 10:36 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is no time dilation. > > > > > > > > 1. Clocks in different frames runs at different rates. > > > > > > > > Clocks ticking at different rates has nothing to do with the present. > > > > > > > Clocks are tiking away right now everywhere else. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Yes, in the present. > > > > > > What I meant to say was: > > > > > > Clocks ticking at different rates has nothing to do with time. Clocks > > > > > all tick in the present. > > > > > Rates are determined by the time of the force of gravity and the time > > > > of motion of energy. Both rates are in one time. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Force of gravity is the force of the displaced aether pushing back on > > > the matter which displaced the aether. > > > > Motion of energy is motion of the aether. > > > > Time is a concept. > > > > There is only the present.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > This is flow science. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Truly hilarious. Thanks all you people this thread is soo much fun! :)) It's wonderful watching the Babble Exchange. It must relieve some internal pressure for both of them.
From: mpc755 on 12 Nov 2009 17:45 On Nov 12, 5:32 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 12, 2:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 12, 1:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 12, 12:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 11:46 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 10:36 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is no time dilation. > > > > > > > > > 1. Clocks in different frames runs at different rates. > > > > > > > > > Clocks ticking at different rates has nothing to do with the present. > > > > > > > > Clocks are tiking away right now everywhere else. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Yes, in the present. > > > > > > > What I meant to say was: > > > > > > > Clocks ticking at different rates has nothing to do with time. Clocks > > > > > > all tick in the present. > > > > > > Rates are determined by the time of the force of gravity and the time > > > > > of motion of energy. Both rates are in one time. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Force of gravity is the force of the displaced aether pushing back on > > > > the matter which displaced the aether. > > > > > Motion of energy is motion of the aether. > > > > > Time is a concept. > > > > > There is only the present.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > This is flow science. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > It is Aether Displacement where aether is an elastic medium and is > > displaced by matter and pushes back in an attempt to return to a state > > of rest. The pushing back is gravity. Light propagates at 'c' relative > > to the aether, just like any wave does in any medium. If you want to > > call the motion of the aether flow science, go for it.- Hide quoted text - > > I have because it is a better concept than motion. > > > - Show quoted text - > > Yes, the concept of motion, but what of the aether being the elastic medium which pushes back against the matter which displaces it being gravity?
From: BURT on 12 Nov 2009 17:50 On Nov 12, 2:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 12, 5:32 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Nov 12, 4:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 12, 1:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 12, 4:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 12:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 3:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 11:46 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 10:36 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There is no time dilation. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Clocks in different frames runs at different rates. > > > > > > > > > > Clocks ticking at different rates has nothing to do with the present. > > > > > > > > > Clocks are tiking away right now everywhere else. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > Yes, in the present. > > > > > > > > What I meant to say was: > > > > > > > > Clocks ticking at different rates has nothing to do with time.. Clocks > > > > > > > all tick in the present. > > > > > > > Rates are determined by the time of the force of gravity and the time > > > > > > of motion of energy. Both rates are in one time. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Force of gravity is the force of the displaced aether pushing back on > > > > > the matter which displaced the aether. > > > > > > Motion of energy is motion of the aether. > > > > > > Time is a concept. > > > > > > There is only the present.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > This is flow science. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > It is Aether Displacement where aether is an elastic medium and is > > > displaced by matter and pushes back in an attempt to return to a state > > > of rest. The pushing back is gravity. Light propagates at 'c' relative > > > to the aether, just like any wave does in any medium. If you want to > > > call the motion of the aether flow science, go for it.- Hide quoted text - > > > I have because it is a better concept than motion. > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Yes, the concept of motion, but what of the aether being the elastic > medium which pushes back against the matter which displaces it being > gravity?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Aether has no shape. It fills space. Mitch Raemsch
From: Inertial on 12 Nov 2009 17:58
"kenseto" <kenseto(a)erinet.com> wrote in message news:0e8846ab-d260-42ee-b61f-d2ff53b6b97a(a)r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > There is no time dilation. You have no proof of course .. not even a working theory. > 1. Clocks in different frames runs at different rates. And how is that different from time dilation? > 2. A clock second does not represent the same duration (absolute time > content) in different frames. In other words a clock second is not a > universal interval of time in different frames. Its not supposed to be .. it supposed to keep time in its own frame > There is no physical length contraction. You have no proof of course .. not even a working theory. > 1. The physical length of a meter stick remains that same in all > frames. What do you mean by physical length? > 2. The observer assumes that the light path length of his meter stick > is the physical length of his meter stick No observer measures light path length and no observer makes any assuptions about something you made up > and then he uses this > assumption and the SR equations to predict the light path length of a > moving meter stick is contractioned by a factor of 1/gamma. He doesn't care what light path length is. Its some nonsense idea you made up that is inconsistent. > IRT is a new theory of relativity. Its not new and its not a theory > It includes the above concept for > time and length. A description of IRT is available in the following > link: Looks for it in your nearest garbage bin where it belongs. |