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From: thunk on 7 Apr 2010 13:20 >>The focus is not solid onto what it not should have been NOW The focus is Solid on this concept of a (free) DEMO program George
From: Aldric Giacomoni on 8 Apr 2010 08:55 thunk wrote: > I have communicated regularly in art related forums where the group > leader never uses capitals or punctuation. With some younger folks I > feel "verklemmt" / inhibited. I have lived in/with several languages > including the forgotten dialect of several people I loved most > dearly. > > It is clear that there are certain "norms" and I did not take the time > to research 100's of postings. Okay. Now we're getting somewhere. THUNK, A HINT FOR YOU: please listen to the people who answer your questions. Do not get caught up in your topic. Several people have, many times, asked you to alter your messages so they were more readable and you seemingly ignored that. We all know the excitation of working on a project which is dear to us. Here, check this out: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html It will in fact explain the whole issue very well, so I will not expand upon it further. > > There is a REAL question, it was in the title, strange and out of the > ordinary that it may have seemed to you rather sober people: > > Most strangely, that did not happen here. Knowing what I know now I > can understand that you have a tight group of "solvers" that know each > other, and a stream of "newbies" or regular folks and you come from > your perspectives and try and help, end up taking some shots at each > other on this that or the other - the "satz" thing reveals that. We care about knowledge and understanding. We use the internet as a medium to transfer information - this is called communication, and the lack of body language and pheromones makes it much trickier, hence the importance of, indeed, carefully building messages. > > The focus is no[w] solid onto what it would take to build a MINIMUM > RU'ID DEMO - free for everybody if possible - for testing. The idea > would be to allow Ruby programmers to "Clone" and build up the > "system" - and talk about what it does, how, and such as that. It is > a fascinating idea to me, but not my major immediate goal. I don't > know how much help it would take, because many of the issues are > unresolved - but seem like they should be resolvable somehow. > That's easy. Do it the same way everybody else does. Put your code on github and we'll look at it and pull it and use it and maybe send in patches. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
From: Aldric Giacomoni on 8 Apr 2010 09:02 Aldric Giacomoni wrote: > thunk wrote: > >> >> The focus is no[w] solid onto what it would take to build a MINIMUM >> RU'ID DEMO - free for everybody if possible - for testing. The idea >> would be to allow Ruby programmers to "Clone" and build up the >> "system" - and talk about what it does, how, and such as that. It is >> a fascinating idea to me, but not my major immediate goal. I don't >> know how much help it would take, because many of the issues are >> unresolved - but seem like they should be resolvable somehow. >> > > That's easy. Do it the same way everybody else does. Put your code on > github and we'll look at it and pull it and use it and maybe send in > patches. As an aside.. I think your 'Ruids' repository on github is private, which makes it impossible for us to view it. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
From: thunk on 8 Apr 2010 09:18 yes the offer of working with a 3rd party to make clone-able fully functioning - closed loop demos stands. the need to communicate has been lowered a few levels as sense has been made of things. exciting it is: ......probably, mostly, (putting thunk in the shoes of the Ruby Community) because it would demonstrate a simple thing in a simple way... .......confusing it is because it is not a gem, and it is not a rails alternative .......confusing it is because it is bigger than a breadbox, in fact has 8 or so modules of about breadbox size ......confusing it is to thunk: because he would like to see it become something he knows it should become but the 100% straight up - show us your code approach at this point does not make sense for ANYBODY .........confusing it is because some "trivial" things like saving "files" are complex and thunk would need help to turn the EXPERT SESSION into a web app that it needs to be (and he has done already using Wee for domain#2) ...........confusing it is because people he knows to be at least 10X smarter than old thunk have not figured out what this is, which indicates that it isn't done, which further confuses things. enough confusion shared? how about this. after 15 years of not contacting anybody in his field of Statistical Control work he contacted Mitutoyo yesterday. True story. The useless dumb ineffective politico he was about to fire is in charge of their IT (aurora) and does't care to hear about anything new. true story, i swear an oath on it
From: thunk on 8 Apr 2010 09:26
about the logic of not 100% open source at this point: There is a "Core" which must evolve - it is not clear who would do that, thunk is not interested in manning any ramparts of that nature - been there did that There is no desire to write a book there is no desire to become a guru (although..... some recognition would be welcome eventually) There is a commercial path that seem boring at the moment - but seems 95% certain to raise some eyebrows when up. AND there is a history of doing cool things to have somebody else rename them and you DON't want to start old thunk on that!! but... he did a FMS (file management system) that had "self - healing", single big file that worked its way across multiple floppies redundancy and such that just worked - and performance was reasonable enough. about 2 years later, a friend explained that there is now a system called "db" and the fms must be "like that". true story. somebody in California always seems to get credit for what they do later - and at age almost 62 - ol thunk feels that this could go differently if the right people in the right place know what they are hearing. |