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From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 21 Dec 2008 17:11
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:47:17 +0000, Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:

>On 2008-12-21 21:45:47 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said:
>
>> Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-12-21 21:26:44 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said:
>>>
>>>> This was discussed here recently I think - does TM need its own volume,
>>>> or can it just exist as a folder/file with other folders/files in one
>>>> volume?
>>>
>>> A normal plug-in one needs its own partition. The network version
>>> creates a sparse bundle, i.e. can live on its own. To slightly
>>> complicate things, if you start a network one going and then directly
>>> plug the drive in, it still uses the sparse bundle i.e. can share a
>>> partition with other files.
>>
>> Ooh a bit confused - what is a plug in one?
>>
>> I just have TM going and have pointed it at an external volume that is
>> always plugged in, in a daisy chain.
>
>In that case, you're on the 'normal' one and it needs its own.

But you can size a partition on a drive, you don't need to dedicate an
entire disk to it.

Cheers - Jaimie
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#include "clue.h"
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 21 Dec 2008 17:15
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:51:57 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones)
wrote:

>Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2008-12-21 21:45:47 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said:
>>
>> > Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2008-12-21 21:26:44 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said:
>> >>
>> >>> This was discussed here recently I think - does TM need its own volume,
>> >>> or can it just exist as a folder/file with other folders/files in one
>> >>> volume?
>> >>
>> >> A normal plug-in one needs its own partition. The network version
>> >> creates a sparse bundle, i.e. can live on its own. To slightly
>> >> complicate things, if you start a network one going and then directly
>> >> plug the drive in, it still uses the sparse bundle i.e. can share a
>> >> partition with other files.
>> >
>> > Ooh a bit confused - what is a plug in one?
>> >
>> > I just have TM going and have pointed it at an external volume that is
>> > always plugged in, in a daisy chain.
>>
>> In that case, you're on the 'normal' one and it needs its own.
>
>Ah ok thanks - I've clicked 'apply' and it's going to get an entire
>drive to itself!

If you did want to partition that drive and use the other side, then
you only have to go to System Prefs/Time Machine, disable it,
partition, and enable it and point at your chose partition.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
If you own a jackhammer, every problem looks like hours of fun
From: Bella Jones on 21 Dec 2008 17:16
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:47:17 +0000, Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:
>
> >On 2008-12-21 21:45:47 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said:
> >
> >> Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2008-12-21 21:26:44 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said:
> >>>
> >>>> This was discussed here recently I think - does TM need its own volume,
> >>>> or can it just exist as a folder/file with other folders/files in one
> >>>> volume?
> >>>
> >>> A normal plug-in one needs its own partition. The network version
> >>> creates a sparse bundle, i.e. can live on its own. To slightly
> >>> complicate things, if you start a network one going and then directly
> >>> plug the drive in, it still uses the sparse bundle i.e. can share a
> >>> partition with other files.
> >>
> >> Ooh a bit confused - what is a plug in one?
> >>
> >> I just have TM going and have pointed it at an external volume that is
> >> always plugged in, in a daisy chain.
> >
> >In that case, you're on the 'normal' one and it needs its own.
>
> But you can size a partition on a drive, you don't need to dedicate an
> entire disk to it.

Well, at the moment it's about to be just one volume. Disk Utility is
in the process of 'Modifying Partition Map', and it's been going for 15
minutes already. Hope that's ok and not too long. (300gig drive)

--
bellajonez at yahoo dot co dot uk
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 21 Dec 2008 17:19
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:16:30 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones)
wrote:

>Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:47:17 +0000, Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2008-12-21 21:45:47 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said:
>> >
>> >> Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2008-12-21 21:26:44 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones) said:
>> >>>
>> >>>> This was discussed here recently I think - does TM need its own volume,
>> >>>> or can it just exist as a folder/file with other folders/files in one
>> >>>> volume?
>> >>>
>> >>> A normal plug-in one needs its own partition. The network version
>> >>> creates a sparse bundle, i.e. can live on its own. To slightly
>> >>> complicate things, if you start a network one going and then directly
>> >>> plug the drive in, it still uses the sparse bundle i.e. can share a
>> >>> partition with other files.
>> >>
>> >> Ooh a bit confused - what is a plug in one?
>> >>
>> >> I just have TM going and have pointed it at an external volume that is
>> >> always plugged in, in a daisy chain.
>> >
>> >In that case, you're on the 'normal' one and it needs its own.
>>
>> But you can size a partition on a drive, you don't need to dedicate an
>> entire disk to it.
>
>Well, at the moment it's about to be just one volume. Disk Utility is
>in the process of 'Modifying Partition Map', and it's been going for 15
>minutes already. Hope that's ok and not too long. (300gig drive)

Has it finished now? It Doesn't sound good - disk utility
partitions+formats a terabyte drive here in about a minute. That was
SATA rather than external, but I wouldn't expect that to make much
difference.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Happiness, n.: An agreeable sensation arising from contemplating the
misery of another. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
From: Bella Jones on 21 Dec 2008 17:23
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:16:30 +0000, me9(a)privacy.net (Bella Jones)
> wrote:
>
> >Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
[...]
> >>
> >> But you can size a partition on a drive, you don't need to dedicate an
> >> entire disk to it.
> >
> >Well, at the moment it's about to be just one volume. Disk Utility is
> >in the process of 'Modifying Partition Map', and it's been going for 15
> >minutes already. Hope that's ok and not too long. (300gig drive)
>
> Has it finished now? It Doesn't sound good - disk utility
> partitions+formats a terabyte drive here in about a minute. That was
> SATA rather than external, but I wouldn't expect that to make much
> difference.

Yes, done now. It may have taken a while (and maybe <15m NICTTOI)
because I had deleted a lot of files from the deleted volume first, but
maybe it needed to, er, do something about that.

--
bellajonez at yahoo dot co dot uk
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