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From: John Jones on 3 Apr 2010 22:29
I tell you what guys, that was a bloody good post I sent there.
Did you know I was Wittgenstein? no? maybe? or rather - (and what's
best) - a bloody cert'? A bloody cert mate. I tell you.
From: John Jones on 3 Apr 2010 22:33
Sir Frederick wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 01:34:56 +0100, John Jones <jonescardiff(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> By breaking the guitar of time, we can lose sight of determinism.
>>
> Could 'Time' = 'God'? Actually, any story works.
> The PBS Nova program a couple of weeks ago,
> mentioned that the Maya culture may have included
> the taking of time as God.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization
> See the PBS web site for any Internet replay.


Are we...isn't a "story" making an object out of what is meant?
From: John Jones on 3 Apr 2010 22:38
Yap wrote:
> On Apr 2, 8:34 am, John Jones <jonescard...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>> By breaking the guitar of time, we can lose sight of determinism.
> Unclear sentence.
>> I have argued that sequenced events can be ordered by association: we do
>> not need Time as an ordering medium. For example, rather than say "A
>> comes before B" we can, without losing information, say "that A, rather
>> than B, is associated with C, says that A comes before B".
> Now, A to B fits nicely in sequence.


Why would it? is my point.

> Then A to B to C is also a sequence.

But A to B to C is a sequence because you associate A with B and C.

> But why would you equate the two, since A to B will never reach C?

It's not the reaching that matters here. We only need to make an
association, not a reaching.
From: John Jones on 3 Apr 2010 22:48
huge wrote:
> John Jones :
>
>> By breaking the guitar of time, we can lose sight of determinism.
>>
>> I have argued that sequenced events can be ordered by association: we do
>> not need Time as an ordering medium.
>
> Oh, for goodness sake, you bonehead; a sequence is simply a discrete function
> in mathematics.

You mean like an amorphous heap? Or is there something better that can
be got out of your ad hoc, I'm a dinosaur, flap?


> Of **COURSE** it doesn't require time.

What on earth do you mean? don't quote New Age platitudes like "it
doesn't require time". It's Oh so modern'esque. Hooey. Watch out mother!
here comes another.

Listen boy, and you listen up good - if you can't tighten up your act
tighten your sphincter or its liquorice allsorts for you if you know
what I mean.
God. I'm bored..
Hey boy, I mean YOU boy. I'm bored. Wathcha gonna dooo about it? eh? Eh?
French fries and cheeseburger. Got iT?

From: huge on 3 Apr 2010 23:56
John Jones :

> huge wrote:
>> John Jones :
>>
>>> By breaking the guitar of time, we can lose sight of determinism.
>>>
>>> I have argued that sequenced events can be ordered by association: we
>>> do not need Time as an ordering medium.
>>
>> Oh, for goodness sake, you bonehead; a sequence is simply a discrete
>> function in mathematics.
>
> You mean like an amorphous heap?

No, I mean a *discrete* function in mathematics.

> Or is there something better that can
> be got out of your ad hoc, I'm a dinosaur, flap?

You are a dinosaur flap.

>
>
>> Of **COURSE** it doesn't require time.
>
> What on earth do you mean? don't quote New Age platitudes like "it
> doesn't require time". It's Oh so modern'esque. Hooey. Watch out mother!
> here comes another.

No definition of a sequence in pure mathematics requires time -- or could.
Sequences *are* defined in pure mathematics. Google it up, bonehead.

>
> Listen boy, and you listen up good - if you can't tighten up your act
> tighten your sphincter or its liquorice allsorts for you if you know
> what I mean.
> God. I'm bored..
> Hey boy, I mean YOU boy. I'm bored. Wathcha gonna dooo about it? eh? Eh?
> French fries and cheeseburger. Got iT?

Jones, I don't believe you have ever taken a real math course.
--
huge: Not on my time you don't.
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