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From: Dennis M. Hammes on 29 Nov 2007 02:38 Ned wrote: > "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0(a)hate.spam.net> wrote in message > news:474DC299.898ADB1A(a)hate.spam.net... > >>Ned wrote: >> >>> TITANOMACHY >>> "We don't murder our fathers enough. >>> That's why we're going extinct." - MMT 11/07 >>> The Higgs boson is at hand! >> >>[snip] >> >>Doubtful. The Higgs is a jury rig to the 100% massless Standard >>Model. The Higgs mechanism requires that all fundamental masses be >>explicitly inserted. There is no reason to expect the Higgs will >>appear at CERN with any greater probability than the Tooth Fairy >>redesigning Japanese jaws. >> > > > Ohhh... a critic! Keep your hands off my boson. This is the > be-all, the end-all, the LAST particle, the finishing touch on > the final filigree of the pluperfectest theory of EVERYTHING! > > Just you wait! You'll be bowing down to CERN within two years. > Yeah, you prolly believe carbon dioxide is causing "global warming," too. <snippage> >>-- >>Uncle Al >>http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ >> (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) >>http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 >> > > > I don't buy it. The earth's rotation is slowing down. It is > slowing down for the same reason that the moon (and all moons) > slow down and ultimately present the same 'face' to the object > they are circling: The gravitational pull of the larger object > inhibits the rotation of the smaller object. No more than the gravitational pull of the smaller object inhibits the rotation of the larger object. Hmmm. I /knew/ there was a reason I was slowing down. -- -------(m+ ~/:o)_| Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental. http://scrawlmark.org
From: Dennis M. Hammes on 29 Nov 2007 02:40 Don Shepherd wrote: > Uncle Al wrote: > >> Ned wrote: >> >>> "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0(a)hate.spam.net> wrote in message >>> news:474DC299.898ADB1A(a)hate.spam.net... >>> >>>> Ned wrote: >>>> >>>>> TITANOMACHY >>>>> "We don't murder our fathers enough. >>>>> That's why we're going extinct." - MMT 11/07 >>>>> The Higgs boson is at hand! >>>> >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> Doubtful. The Higgs is a jury rig to the 100% massless Standard >>>> Model. The Higgs mechanism requires that all fundamental masses be >>>> explicitly inserted. There is no reason to expect the Higgs will >>>> appear at CERN with any greater probability than the Tooth Fairy >>>> redesigning Japanese jaws. >>>> >>> >>> Ohhh... a critic! Keep your hands off my boson. This is the >>> be-all, the end-all, the LAST particle, the finishing touch on >>> the final filigree of the pluperfectest theory of EVERYTHING! >>> >>> Just you wait! You'll be bowing down to CERN within two years. >> >> >> [snip] >> >> Doubtful. No Higgs. >> > > We're all bosons on this bus. > > Don Step to the back of the bus, then. You've hadron too many. -- -------(m+ ~/:o)_| Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental. http://scrawlmark.org
From: Dennis M. Hammes on 29 Nov 2007 03:01 tadchem wrote: > On Nov 28, 3:31 pm, "Ned" <nedl...(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > <snip repost> > >> I don't buy it. The earth's rotation is slowing down. It is >>slowing down for the same reason that the moon (and all moons) >>slow down and ultimately present the same 'face' to the object >>they are circling: The gravitational pull of the larger object >>inhibits the rotation of the smaller object. > > > What you are saying here is that "The gravitational pull of the larger > object (Earth) inhibits the rotation of the smaller object (the > moon)", which is a fait accompli. The moon no longer rotates relative > to the gradient in the earth's gravitational field. > > What you are ignoring (or mis-stating) is that the *differential* > gravitation (tide-raising force) works both ways, so the moon's > gravitation (and to a lesser extent the sun's as well) is what is > slowing the earth's rotation. > > The earth is not perfectly rigid. It flexes as it spins in the moon's > gravity because the part that is facing the moon feels a stronger > gravitational effect from the moon than the part facing away from the > moon. > So why does it bulge just as much on the side away from the moon? Har, de har, de har. (The side away from the moon is moving faster about the C.G. than the side toward the moon...) > >> Weird site, man. Weird! >> >> Ned > > > Tidal friction converts kinetic energy of rotation to thermal energy, > while the total angular momentum of the system is conserved. Taint. All of the tidal heat is radiated from teh system. Unless by "teh system" you mean "teh universe," in which case teh universe is necessarily Steady State (yet again). > > The earth is still spinning fast, but friction from the interaction > with the moon's gravitational field raises tides in the water and the > land, heating both while slowing down rotation. When the earth has > slowed enough that it keeps one face towards the moon, then the > interaction with the moon's gravity will no longer produce tides, and > the sun's gravity will become the main factor slowing down the > rotation of the earth. It may more likely be Venus, as Venus is already tide-locked 3:2 with Earth. (Teh rotation of Venus only /appears/ to be "retrograde" from a certain point of view; in fact, it's rotating in the same direction as the rest of teh /planetes/ -- just not "fast enough.") > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking > http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/tides.html > http://www.jal.cc.il.us/~mikolajsawicki/tides_new2.pdf > > Eventually, if the sun, earth, and moon last that long, the moon and > earth will recombine and become a single body locked into position > facing the sun (at the moment I don't want to calculate how long that > may take). Tsk. Tidal interference is causing Luna to /recede/ from Earth at an already-measured rate. This may be solely because Sol-Earth-Luna constitute a /three/-body problem. Luna is already not a "moon" of Earth (if it ever was), being primarily in orbit around Sol at about five times the Rochelle Limit for Earth. > > Tom Davidson > Richmond, VA -- -------(m+ ~/:o)_| Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental. http://scrawlmark.org
From: Dennis M. Hammes on 29 Nov 2007 03:05 Ned wrote: > > But one question... If all motion is relative, how does > the earth know that the moon is revolving around IT, rather > than IT revolving around the moon? > > Ned > If all motion is relative, how do you explain teh couch potato? -- -------(m+ ~/:o)_| Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental. http://scrawlmark.org
From: Dennis M. Hammes on 29 Nov 2007 03:09
Ned wrote: > "Don Shepherd" <donshep2.nospam(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > news:URo3j.50965$Pt.45933(a)trnddc02... > >>>But one question... If all motion is relative, how does >>>the earth know that the moon is revolving around IT, rather >>>than IT revolving around the moon? >>>Ned >> >>What does it mean to say that the earth "knows" something? >>Don >> > > > What does it mean to say that one thing goes "around" another > thing, when all motion is relative? > > Ned > Why is relatives' motion "around" each other called a "square" dance? -- -------(m+ ~/:o)_| Gresham's Law is not worth a Continental. http://scrawlmark.org |