From: Michael A. Terrell on

John Larkin wrote:
>
> <OLDFARTSTORY>
>
> My first real job was a research assistant in microwave spectroscopy,
> a summer tech job. Two grad students on the same project spent the
> entire summer hunched over a Friden calculator in a small room,
> calculating rotational resonances for some organic thing. My PC could
> do all that now in, probably, a millisecond.
>
> </OLDFARTSTORY>


Maybe, but your pc doesn't drink beer or chase cute college girls.
;-)


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From: George Herold on
On Jun 10, 2:59 pm, John Fields <jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:01:11 -0700, John Larkin
>
>
>
>
>
> <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:09:55 -0500, John Fields
> ><jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:56:15 -0700, John Larkin
> >><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:27:47 -0500, John Fields
> >>><jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:01:19 -0700, John Larkin
> >>>><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:02:57 -0500, John Fields
> >>>>><jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:30:37 -0700, John Larkin
> >>>>>><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:31:31 -0500, John Fields
> >>>>>>><jfie...(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 15:09:51 -0700, John Larkin
> >>>>>>>><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>If I claimed that there was nitrogen in the air, he and
> >>>>>>>>>JF would hack a Spice simulation and prove me wrong.
>
> >>>>>>>>---
> >>>>>>>>You're being absurd, as usual, but it seems you lucked out this time
> >>>>>>>>and your oscillator works in LTspice.
>
> >>>>>>>Since we manufactured and sold lots of them before Spice was
> >>>>>>>available, and they worked just fine, the luck is on Spice's part. Or
> >>>>>>>yours.
>
> >>>>>>>This will shock the kiddies, but it *is* possible to design circuits
> >>>>>>>without using Spice. Usually it's faster and better.
>
> >>>>>>---
> >>>>>>You're preaching to the choir, bucko.
>
> >>>>>>In your world, maybe, but when you're talking circuits with hundreds
> >>>>>>of thousands or millions of transistors, it's not possible.  
>
> >>>>>>This may come as a surprise to you, but many (if not most) of the
> >>>>>>circuits which you buy and incorporate into your products were
> >>>>>>designed using SPICE, so the fact that you assemble them into working
> >>>>>>product that you don't simulate doesn't mean it's free of SPICE.
>
> >>>>>SPICE 1 was introduced at a conference in 1973. It wasn't very good,
> >>>>>and SPICE 2, 1975, was better. DRAMS were introduced in 1970.
>
> >>>>---
> >>>>Red herring, cheater, or, at the very least, ignoratio elenchi.
>
> >>>The first few generations of RAM were designed before Spice existed,
> >>>which you declared to be "not possible."
>
> >>>I don't know how to say that in Latin.
>
> >>---
> >>Pity, as is your lack of Englishy reading comprehension, since the
> >>point which was being made was that even though you pooh-pooh SPICE,
> >>your livelihood, today, depends on it.
>
> >I don't think so. People designed radar, magnetrons and klystrons and
> >waveguides and servos and all that, without computers. They did the
> >math. Early computers were obviously designed without help from
> >computers.
>
> >I don't use Spice a lot, and could certainly get along without it. It
> >is helpful when evaluating nonlinear systems, where math solutions get
> >messy.
>
> ---
> I don't know why you're being so argumentative when it's as clear as
> the nose on your face that if SPICE didn't exist you'd have very
> little on your plate to offer for sale.
>
> A couple of posts back I wrote:
>
> "This may come as a surprise to you, but many (if not most) of the
> circuits which you buy and incorporate into your products were
> designed using SPICE, so the fact that you assemble them into working
> product that you don't simulate doesn't mean it's free of SPICE."
>
> SPICE is an acronym for "Simulation Program with Integrated Circuit
> Emphasis", and I'm pretty sure you use chips designed using SPICE so
> even if you don't simulate circuits at the board level, SPICE is still
> in there.
>
> Also, SPICE is being used successfully in general circuit simulation
> all around the world, so your naysaying is largely falling on ears
> that know better.
>
> Personally, I've been doing circuit design for almost 50 years and I
> used to avoid simulators like the plague.
>
> I've been using LTSpice for 3 or 4 years now and although I can get
> along without it, there's no reason on earth I'd want to since typing
> is a whole lot easier than wire-wrapping.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That's cool, so at a year and 1/2 I'm not that far behind. (Well I've
only been doing circuit design for ten years...Still way behind)

George H.
From: John Larkin on
On 10 Jun 2010 17:55:23 -0700, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member(a)newsguy.com> wrote:

>John Larkin wrote...
>>
>> I have never called myself a "judge", and Win has never called
>> himself a "master." You and JT call us that, so you can then
>> abuse us for saying things we never said. How lame.
>
> That's correct. I work hard at what I do, but I'm always
> on the lookout for mistakes I may make, or more often,
> things I don't yet understand. Hopefully I'll not pipe
> up about something I don't yet understand, but oops, oops,
> sometimes one doesn't yet know that they don't understand
> something, or they may just make a silly thoughtless mistake.

A lot depends on how fragile your ego is. If you are determined to
always be "right" in public, or you are determined that someone else
is always wrong, you'll be a fathead and not learn anything.

Of course, there are some people who are AlwaysWrong.

John

From: Jim Thompson on
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:59:50 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On 10 Jun 2010 17:55:23 -0700, Winfield Hill
><Winfield_member(a)newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>John Larkin wrote...
>>>
>>> I have never called myself a "judge", and Win has never called
>>> himself a "master." You and JT call us that, so you can then
>>> abuse us for saying things we never said. How lame.
>>
>> That's correct. I work hard at what I do, but I'm always
>> on the lookout for mistakes I may make, or more often,
>> things I don't yet understand. Hopefully I'll not pipe
>> up about something I don't yet understand, but oops, oops,
>> sometimes one doesn't yet know that they don't understand
>> something, or they may just make a silly thoughtless mistake.
>
>A lot depends on how fragile your ego is. If you are determined to
>always be "right" in public, or you are determined that someone else
>is always wrong, you'll be a fathead and not learn anything.
>
>Of course, there are some people who are AlwaysWrong.
>
>John

Describing yourself, John ?:-)

...Jim Thompson
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From: BlindBaby on
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:59:50 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On 10 Jun 2010 17:55:23 -0700, Winfield Hill
><Winfield_member(a)newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>John Larkin wrote...
>>>
>>> I have never called myself a "judge", and Win has never called
>>> himself a "master." You and JT call us that, so you can then
>>> abuse us for saying things we never said. How lame.
>>
>> That's correct. I work hard at what I do, but I'm always
>> on the lookout for mistakes I may make, or more often,
>> things I don't yet understand. Hopefully I'll not pipe
>> up about something I don't yet understand, but oops, oops,
>> sometimes one doesn't yet know that they don't understand
>> something, or they may just make a silly thoughtless mistake.
>
>A lot depends on how fragile your ego is. If you are determined to
>always be "right" in public, or you are determined that someone else
>is always wrong, you'll be a fathead and not learn anything.
>
>Of course, there are some people who are AlwaysWrong.
>
>John

John gazes into the mirror (guffaw) and details for us his... err...
our dilemma.

Yeah... sure... bub.