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From: cas on 7 Oct 2006 17:01 A2Pro wrote: > Hi! > > Below my sig is an excerpt from a message posted to the CBM-hackers > list. A question for the hardware gurus on this list: would this chip > make it easy to come up with a USB interface card for the Apple II > line? > > Willi > > Message excerpt: > "A friend of mine recently told me about the MAX3421E from Maxim > <http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3639>. > He ordered some samples, but the estimated delivery time is in March > 2007. > Also, there are virtually no programming examples yet. > > The chip implements a USB interface, and it is controlled via SPI bus. > It seems to support enough primitives to implement any USB protocol. > With some restrictions, it can even play a USB master. Possible > applications of that could be connecting a USB mouse, keyboard, > memory stick, or a USB-equipped PC to a microcontroller, which would > in turn emulate some Commodore peripheral." On the Atari 8bit (also 6502, 64 KB RAM) we use the Cypress SL811HS USB Controller. There might be better USB Controller available now, but the plus for the Cypress is that for this chip some 6502 Drivers already exist. We are currently in the final stage to finish the driver for USB Storage (USB Flash drives, Harddisks and CD-ROM Drives). Drivers for HID Devices (Keyboard, Joystick, Wheels, Mouse) and some other USB Devices (Floppies) extist. Glenn Jones has already prototyped the SL811HS on an Apple 2 using the Atari 8bit Cartridge (see http://www.strotmann.de/twiki/bin/view/Microusb/ProjUSBAppleTwo). I woul like to see if the Apple 2 (and CBM) Community would join the Microusb Project (www.microusb.org). The major challenge is not the Hardware, but reverse engenieering USB Protocol Problems and writing drivers. RAM Space is not so much an issue. With the SL811HS a Keyboard/Mouse/Joystick driver is about 256 Byte (resident, + 2K init code that will be thrown away after init) of 6502 Assembler. The Disk Driver is about 1 K of 6502 Assembler Code. The bulk is a DOS System that can read/write FAT16/FAT32 Disks. Again, it would be nice if the 6502 based Micros can joinly work on one Hardware system to allow re-use of drivers. Everything at Microusb (Hardwaredesing and Software) is GPLed Open Source, so feel free to take what you need. And we are very willing to help and share our USB Knowledge. Best regards Carsten Strotmann Atari Bit Byter User Group USB Project microusb.org
From: rbernardo on 7 Oct 2006 17:53 A2Pro wrote: > Below my sig is an excerpt from a message posted to the CBM-hackers > list. A question for the hardware gurus on this list: would this chip > make it easy to come up with a USB interface card for the Apple II > line? > > Willi > > > Message excerpt: > > "A friend of mine recently told me about the MAX3421E from Maxim > > <http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3639>. > > He ordered some samples, but the estimated delivery time is in March > > 2007. > > Also, there are virtually no programming examples yet. > > > The chip implements a USB interface, and it is controlled via SPI bus. > > It seems to support enough primitives to implement any USB protocol. > > With some restrictions, it can even play a USB master. Possible > > applications of that could be connecting a USB mouse, keyboard, > > memory stick, or a USB-equipped PC to a microcontroller, which would > > in turn emulate some Commodore peripheral." On Oct 7, 2:01 pm, Carsten wrote: > On the Atari 8bit (also 6502, 64 KB RAM) we use the Cypress SL811HS USB > Controller. There might be better USB Controller available now, but the > plus for the Cypress is that for this chip some 6502 Drivers already exist. > > We are currently in the final stage to finish the driver for USB Storage > (USB Flash drives, Harddisks and CD-ROM Drives). Drivers for HID Devices > (Keyboard, Joystick, Wheels, Mouse) and some other USB Devices (Floppies) > extist. > > Glenn Jones has already prototyped the SL811HS on an Apple 2 using the Atari > 8bit Cartridge (seehttp://www.strotmann.de/twiki/bin/view/Microusb/ProjUSBAppleTwo). > > I woul like to see if the Apple 2 (and CBM) Community would join the > Microusb Project (www.microusb.org). The major challenge is not the > Hardware, but reverse engenieering USB Protocol Problems and writing > drivers. > > RAM Space is not so much an issue. With the SL811HS a > Keyboard/Mouse/Joystick driver is about 256 Byte (resident, + 2K init code > that will be thrown away after init) of 6502 Assembler. > > The Disk Driver is about 1 K of 6502 Assembler Code. The bulk is a DOS > System that can read/write FAT16/FAT32 Disks. Again, it would be nice if > the 6502 based Micros can joinly work on one Hardware system to allow > re-use of drivers. > > Everything at Microusb (Hardwaredesing and Software) is GPLed Open Source, > so feel free to take what you need. And we are very willing to help and > share our USB Knowledge. Thank you very much for sharing this information. At this year's CommVEx v2, I saw a prototype USB cartridge for the Commodore (shhh!). I will forward this message to the appropriate developer(s). Join us at the FCUG table at the Vintage Computer Festival 9.0 Nov. 4-5, Robert Bernardo Fresno Commodore User Group http://videocam.net.au/fcug
From: Nick @ 64HDD on 9 Oct 2006 05:47 Hi Carsten > > I woul like to see if the Apple 2 (and CBM) Community would join the > > Microusb Project (www.microusb.org). The major challenge is not the > > Hardware, but reverse engenieering USB Protocol Problems and writing > > drivers. Indeed, the hardware implementation for the C64 is easy - including the banking needed to hide the external EPROM. Its two kids and a serious lack of time that has stopped me from doing the software ports... There are plenty of other good programmers on the C64 scene for whom this would be a breeze.
From: MagerValp on 9 Oct 2006 07:55 >>>>> "NC" == Nick @ 64HDD <info(a)64hdd.com> writes: NC> There are plenty of other good programmers on the C64 scene for NC> whom this would be a breeze. But for us the hardware construction is a problem :) -- ___ . . . . . + . . o _|___|_ + . + . + . Per Olofsson, arkadspelare o-o . . . o + MagerValp(a)cling.gu.se - + + . http://www.cling.gu.se/~cl3polof/
From: Nick @ 64HDD on 10 Oct 2006 17:43 > NC> There are plenty of other good programmers on the C64 scene for > NC> whom this would be a breeze. > > But for us the hardware construction is a problem :) > Sounds like a joint venture is required :)
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