USB programmable Open Source Hardware
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From: nobody on 22 Sep 2009 15:19 Looking for interest in an Open Source Hardware USB programmable FPGA, XC3S250E. I have been having some difficulty getting the right people exposed to this project. If you have any interest in this project would like to hear from you. It is headed into an Open Source Hardware agreement therefore their is no proprietary information about the design. Here is an image of the board. http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=yhjjddznzmx&thumb=5 Cy Drollinger Electronic Realization L.L.C. 313 W. Mendenhall #5 Bozeman, MT 59715 PH: 406-586-5502 Email: cy(a)montana.net
From: Antti.Lukats on 23 Sep 2009 01:27 On Sep 22, 10:19 pm, nobody <cydrollin...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Looking for interest in an Open Source Hardware USB programmable FPGA, > XC3S250E. I have been having some difficulty getting the right people > exposed to this project. If you have any interest in this project > would like to hear from you. It is headed into an Open Source Hardware > agreement therefore their is no proprietary information about the > design. > > Here is an image of the board.http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=yhjjddznzmx&thumb=5 > > Cy Drollinger > Electronic Realization L.L.C. > 313 W. Mendenhall #5 > Bozeman, MT 59715 > PH: 406-586-5502 > Email: c...(a)montana.net Dear Cy who are the right people? customers buying the hardware from you? an OEM fab that manufacturers the board for you cheaply? developers who spend their time to support your board so you can use those open source projects to sell more boards and make more money? somebody who can give you good advice? the PCB is far too expensive to make for "open source" guys, so nobody will build this board, unless you manufacture and sell it cheaply, so whatever you call open source hardware, it is just an commercial products with schematic made public, but the schematics of most FPGA development hardware is openly public anyway, so where is you point? you really have to say what type of contacts you are looking for! Antti
From: nobody on 23 Sep 2009 11:58 Antti, I enjoy your responses they are to the bone, but valid. The right people are engineers who wish to pick this project up for their benefit, yes antti as well as mine. The engineer would be some one willing to pay a bit extra for one of four boards available with all the design file associated with the boards. These files are the meat of the work and would allow an engineer to make changes from the current form to one more suitable to their needs, if necessary. Open Source license also allows anyone willing to manufacture this product for sale and profit of their own, royalty free. Development and testing is a huge cost and has been paid for in this project. Yes, antti schematics are available for many of the development boards but firmware and how things are implemented are not. Digilent for example produced a project that only required a usb to miniB connection to the board to program utilizing Xilinx's impact program, how did they do that? They will not tell me, I understand, but it was worth asking. If the 4 layer printed circuit board was manufactured for $6 is that to expensive? My point: is placing all of this projects work in an open source license to be easily duplicated at a reasonable cost one board under $50.00 for someone in need of well behaved electronic signals, maybe an engineer, a student, a hobbyist, and the like. Antti, you are so preceptive, Yes, I would like to be able to accept notes of appreciation for this body of work, because someone finds it helpful. Being able to discuss this body of work and let it go out to those who would find it useful makes me smile. Open Source Hardware licensing just prevents anyone from strangling the work and making it theirs, plagiarism. This body of work is not quite original but is not a rip off, or a copy of another work. Yes, their are similar projects out there and I have asked for help on this project from those similar project, but understandably I got go away, I did. I have spent my resource on this project and I need more to continue on or even try something different. Thanks for asking Antti, Cy Drollinger
From: Antti.Lukats on 23 Sep 2009 12:20 On Sep 23, 6:58 pm, nobody <cydrollin...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Antti, > > I enjoy your responses they are to the bone, but valid. The right > people are engineers who wish to pick this project up for their > benefit, yes antti as well as mine. The engineer would be some one > willing to pay a bit extra for one of four boards available with all > the design file associated with the boards. These files are the meat > of the work and would allow an engineer to make changes from the > current form to one more suitable to their needs, if necessary. Open > Source license also allows anyone willing to manufacture this product > for sale and profit of their own, royalty free. Development and > testing is a huge cost and has been paid for in this project. Yes, > antti schematics are available for many of the development boards but > firmware and how things are implemented are not. Digilent for example > produced a project that only required a usb to miniB connection to the > board to program utilizing Xilinx's impact program, how did they do > that? They will not tell me, I understand, but it was worth asking. > > If the 4 layer printed circuit board was manufactured for $6 is that > to expensive? > > My point: is placing all of this projects work in an open source > license to be easily duplicated at a reasonable cost one board under > $50.00 for someone in need of well behaved electronic signals, maybe > an engineer, a student, a hobbyist, and the like. Antti, you are so > preceptive, Yes, I would like to be able to accept notes of > appreciation for this body of work, because someone finds it helpful. > Being able to discuss this body of work and let it go out to those who > would find it useful makes me smile. Open Source Hardware licensing > just prevents anyone from strangling the work and making it theirs, > plagiarism. This body of work is not quite original but is not a rip > off, or a copy of another work. Yes, their are similar projects out > there and I have asked for help on this project from those similar > project, but understandably I got go away, I did. > I have spent my resource on this project and I need more to continue > on or even try something different. > > Thanks for asking Antti, > > Cy Drollinger Cy you havent done your homework ;) 1) Xilinx USB cable can be put on customer board (yours) the schematic is FREELY available, FX2+CPLD, support:impact/chipscope/xmd 2) Digilent USB cable can put on customer board (yours) the schematic is FREELY available, FX2 only, support: chipscope/xmd 3) Anttis option: a] FT232RL and S3E, CBUS used for CLK and JTAG, i can provide ALL TOOLS needed for this b] FT245RL + S3AN (uses multiboot) a and b allow full programmability over usb, at lower cost then your, and lower than digilent or xilinx usb embedded all solutions are EASY and READY for anyone to benefit, and lower cost then yours 6$ one off 4 layer PCB? you have good fab, if so! but, you use hard to get and hard to use connectors, making also add on boards expensive, so that reduces the interest another level your work is 1:1 same as "console FPGA" or have i failed to see something? i see nothing what your board does better (both designs are WAY TOO OLD, and WAY too expensive...) Antti
From: Nico Coesel on 23 Sep 2009 12:17
nobody <cydrollinger(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Looking for interest in an Open Source Hardware USB programmable FPGA, >XC3S250E. I have been having some difficulty getting the right people >exposed to this project. If you have any interest in this project >would like to hear from you. It is headed into an Open Source Hardware >agreement therefore their is no proprietary information about the >design. > >Here is an image of the board. >http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=yhjjddznzmx&thumb=5 What is the purpose of the board? What needs to be done? I see an FTDI chip. Can it be programmed through OpenOCD / serial port JTAG? -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... "If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer!" -------------------------------------------------------------- |