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From: Stephen Powell on 8 Apr 2010 22:40 On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:37:34 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> What I don't understand is why Ubuntu users *post* here, when they >> actually run Ubuntu. > > I run Ubuntu and regularly read the Debian list, so maybe I can answer. > > If I need to know where is the menus Firefox is, or how to change my > wallpaper, the Ubuntu list is fine. But nobody there understands > _anything_ about the OS. That is fine, the target audience of Ubuntu > is not technical users. The barrier to entry is very low. My > 74-year-old mother in law uses Kubuntu. > > So if the Debian support is so great, why do I run Ubuntu and not > Debian? Several reasons. One, the low barrier to entry means that I > can get a system up and running in no time flat. Twice a year, 20 > minutes and I've got the latest and greatest software versions. Debian > still needs tweaking for my problematic video card, and some other > really small details. But the biggest reason that I run Ubuntu is to > promote it. I have done tens of installs for friends, neighbours, and > family. I need to be familiar with what they are running. Debian just > needs a bit too much work, a bit too much handholding, and a bit too > much explaining things. > > So while my heart is with Debian, I run the best Debian derivative out there. For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. I'd rather learn to fish. -- .''`. Stephen Powell <zlinuxman(a)wowway.com> : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1280705063.2050161270780727932.JavaMail.root(a)md01.wow.synacor.com
From: Cybe R. Wizard on 8 Apr 2010 23:30 On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:58:38 -0500 Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson(a)cox.net> wrote: > On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote: > [snip] > > > > For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > > > > Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. > > Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. > > > > I'd rather learn to fish. > > > > There's another proverb: Teach a man to fish and he gets angry for > making him work. > Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day. Cybe R. Wizard -- There is absolutely no substitute for a complete lack of information upon which to base a considered opinion. Rugg Diddle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100408223133.76ecfccd(a)WizardsTower
From: Stephen Powell on 9 Apr 2010 09:40 On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:00:39 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: >> >> Â Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. >> Â Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. >> >> I'd rather learn to fish. >> > > In this case it's: > > Take a rope off their necks and you save him today. (get him off Windows) > Try to teach him what to do with a better rope and he will call you > twice a day for the next four years (install Debian for him) > Give him a rope made for babies and you'll both be happy (install Ubuntu) (1) No need to CC me; I am subscribed to the list. (2) I see that you (and a number of others) have had fun with parodies of the "give a fish / teach to fish" parable, but its point is still valid.. (3) If you are unwilling to teach, then there is no reason why your technological dependents would not be just as happy with an appropriately installed and configured Debian system as they would be with an Ubuntu system. (4) If you are unwilling to teach, then don't come here for support, because that's what you're asking us to do. Why should we do for you what you are not willing to do for others? -- .''`. Stephen Powell <zlinuxman(a)wowway.com> : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/213608328.2107461270820068094.JavaMail.root(a)md01.wow.synacor.com
From: Stephen Powell on 9 Apr 2010 20:30 On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:55:56 -0400 (EDT), Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 22:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> This is exactly the reason I chose Debian 10 years ago when I was looking >> for my first Linux distro.  I told a friend I wanted a server distro that >> wasn't going to spoon feed me, but make me learn something about Linux. > > Slackware is usually recommended for this. Or you you wanna learn the > very basics, LFS and derivates. Slackware is a dictatorship. Debian is a republic. -- .''`. Stephen Powell <zlinuxman(a)wowway.com> : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1764366359.2247791270858897963.JavaMail.root(a)md01.wow.synacor.com
From: Stephen Powell on 11 Apr 2010 09:50
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:49:45 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I use a Debian derivative as it > has slightly better hardware support out of the box and more > up-to-date packages than straight Debian. That is exactly what this > thread is about. No, that is not what this thread is about. I am the OP of this derivative of the thread "[OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name" and *I* decide what this thread is about. Please don't hijack my thread. If you want to start a thread that says Ubuntu is better than Debian, then go over to the *Ubuntu* forum and start one. This is *my* thread, and I clearly stated the topic in my original post. I acknowledge that there are people in this world who don't want to know the details of how to administer a computer OS. In fact, that probably describes the majority of desktop users. I'm not condemning them. If they have problems, they can ask a personal friend who is willing to help them, or they can get a paid support contract. But this forum is not for them. This forum is for *Debian* users who *do* want to know how their system works and are *willing* to work at it *and* help others. It is not for Ubuntu users who don't know enough about their system to administer it, can't get adequate help from their fellow Ubuntu users on their own forum, and are too cheap to get a paid Ubuntu support contract. If you want to run Ubuntu, then run Ubuntu. The choice is yours. But don't come over here if you have problems. Get help on the Ubuntu forum, ask a friend who also runs Ubuntu, or buy an Ubuntu support contract. *That's* what this thread is about! This forum is, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, ... A forum *of* the Debian users *by* the Debian users *for* the Debian users. You're welcome to search our archives. But don't post here unless you run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help others as well as yourself. I'm not trying to be unkind. I have nothing against you personally. But it is not fair for you to run another OS and then come over here asking for free help. This is not a forum for users of all 250+ Debian-derived distributions. This is a *Debian* forum. Period. -- .''`. Stephen Powell <zlinuxman(a)wowway.com> : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/120720411.2434831270993605552.JavaMail.root(a)md01.wow.synacor.com |