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From: LewB on 28 Apr 2010 12:56 "I suspect I mentioned that removal tool at some point" You did. It was in a list along with a number of other links that I simply overlooked and screwed up in my haste to get to MSE assuming Add/Remove would take care of everything. So what good is Add/Remove? Some of the apps come with an uninstall file, many do not and Add/Remove is the only option. The link you sent (http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msestart/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4) has many sections but none discuss what I just did and how, if at all, MSE might be effected? -- LJB "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: > Check list for installing Microsoft Security Essentials > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msestart/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4 > > Ideally, the McAfee removal tool would have been run before you installed > MSE. > > Now I'm not gonna search your many threads but I suspect I mentioned that > removal tool at some point in one or more of them. > > LewB wrote: > > The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of the > > others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except > > Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more > > may > > be better than less. > > As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control > > Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no > > problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had > > overlooked > > this link: > > > > http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe > > > > so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't > > believe > > the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I > > don't > > know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of MSE? > > > >> Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your > >> computer. > >> > >> That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming > >> you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for > >> SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so. > >> > >> LewB wrote: > >>> Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was > >>> removed > >>> in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous > >>> suggestions > >>> were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware. > >>> Do > >>> these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and > >>> Destroy > >>> but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others. > >>> > >>>> Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been > >>>> installed on the computer 'way back when. > >>>> > >>>> If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes > >>>> Defender > >>>> "technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will > >>>> be > >>>> disabled). See this discussion: > >>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msestart/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> LewB wrote: > >>>>> Robear, > >>>>> I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in > >>>>> the > >>>>> previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the > >>>>> Microsoft > >>>>> Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a > >>>>> number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a > >>>>> clean > >>>>> install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again > >>>>> and > >>>>> it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two > >>>>> files: > >>>>> microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005) > >>>>> and > >>>>> Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006) > >>>>> > >>>>> This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from > >>>>> Microsoft > >>>>> and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree > >>>>> with > >>>>> this > >>>>> interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in > >>>>> the > >>>>> unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread. > >>>>> As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is > >>>>> no > >>>>> uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been > >>>>> bundled > >>>>> up > >>>>> in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both > >>>>> Defender > >>>>> and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I > >>>>> guess > >>>>> that is routine?? > >>>>> LJB > >>>>> > >>>>>> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> (one > >>>>>> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist > >>>>>> you > >>>>>> will have the complete history available to them. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> LewB wrote: > >>>>>>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what > >>>>>>> this > >>>>>>> site > >>>>>>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a > >>>>>>> limit > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> site > >>>>>>> administrator. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What Lem said. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new > >>>>>>>> threads > >>>>>>>> about this computer & your problems. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> LewB wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several > >>>>>>>>> weeks > >>>>>>>>> ago. > >>>>>>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup > >>>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I > >>>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click > >>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>> C > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities > >>>>>>>>> running. > >>>>>>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this > >>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> way > >>>>>>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot > >>>>>>>>> process. > >>>>>>>>> LB > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!] > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If > >>>>>>>>>> you've > >>>>>>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not > >>>>>>>>>> installed. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> =============================== > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See > >>>>>>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or > >>>>>>>>>> Method > >>>>>>>>>> 1 > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new > >>>>>>>>>> computer" > >>>>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise > >>>>>>>>>> connecting > >>>>>>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other > >>>>>>>>>> computers) > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or > >>>>>>>>>> hasn't > >>>>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>>>> freshly formatted: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go > >>>>>>>>>> online > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Other helpful references include: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully > >>>>>>>>>> patched > >>>>>>>>>> (after a clean install) > >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched > >>>>>>>>>> (after > >>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>> clean install) > >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install > >>>>>>>>>> KB971029 > >>>>>>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the > >>>>>>>>>> computer > >>>>>>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows > >>>>>>>>>> Service > >>>>>>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus > >>>>>>>>>> application > >>>>>>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed). > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Norton Removal Tool > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > >>>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original > >>>>>>>>>>> Setup > >>>>>>>>>>> disc > >>>>>>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD > >>>>>>>>>>> drive. > >>>>>>>>>>> It > >>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> disc > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> CD" > >>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 > >>>>>>>>>>> listed > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> "boot devise priority". > >>>>>>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S > >>>>>>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M > >>>>>>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S > >>>>>>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two > >>>>>>>>>>> optical > >>>>>>>>>>> drives. > >>>>>>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. > >>>>>>>>>>> The > >>>>>>>>>>> disc > >>>>>>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft > >>>>>>>>>>> Security > >>>>>>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or > >>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>> critical. > >>>>>>>>>>> LJB > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> . > >>>>>> > >>>>>> . > >>>> > >>>> . > >> > >> . > > . >
From: LewB on 28 Apr 2010 12:57 There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for purchase. Is there any proscription to trying several on the same computer? That is, is there a conflict that could develop in the same way that having two AV programs on the same computer is a no-no. LJB -- LJB "Daave" wrote: > YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there would > be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc. See: > > http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515 > > I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some people > report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the capability > of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the flexibility of > going back in time several images (a la System Restore), so this is why > I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you know) can do clones, too, but not > incremental ones. > > If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the > bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they need > to be created!) > > > LewB wrote: > > Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you > > have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware) > > for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question > > that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of > > 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now to > > inquire about backups and what is considered better, best, safest, > > etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and have used > > it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are no bad > > characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft Security > > Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other thread. I > > like the idea of an image because you avoid the painstaking > > reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB > > "Daave" wrote: > > > >> Cool! Good job! > >> > >> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up > >> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more > >> responders this way. > >> > >> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly > >> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting a > >> new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different > >> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call), > >> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others can > >> refer to it (to see the bigger picture). > >> > >> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article: > >> > >> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314 > >> > >> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* you > >> do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a disaster > >> the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the updates and > >> all your programs, but who wants to do that when restoring an image > >> of your hard drive takes care of all that instantly! > >> > >> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other > >> programs are fine, too. > >> > >> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless you > >> use it just to back up data). > >> > >> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it > >> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary > >> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows > >> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into > >> another form. > >> > >> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on > >> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The > >> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS, > >> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play > >> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use. > >> > >> > >> LewB wrote: > >>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard > >>> today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and > >>> then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that > >>> the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as advertised. > >>> In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same > >>> thread > >>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over > >>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all > >>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary > >>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that comes > >>> with WinXP? > >>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an > >>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat > >>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and find > >>> it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies what he > >>> wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt copies them > >>> back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that what Backup in > >>> WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of reinstallation of > >>> apps that an image program avoids but also carries over whatever > >>> nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the > >>> format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway many thanks for you great > >>> help. LJB > >>> > >>> > >>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard. > >>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key" > >>>> issue. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> LewB wrote: > >>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard? > >>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip > >>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2 > >>>>> > >>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? > >>>>> Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia > >>>>> Keyboard > >>>>> 1.0A > >>>>> > >>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to > >>>>> be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS > >>>>> > >>>>>> Daave wrote: > >>>>>>> LewB wrote: > >>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the > >>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will > >>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. > >>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the system > >>>>>>>> does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but when > >>>>>>>> this is done Windows boots normally. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Try another keyboard. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless > >>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that > >>>>>>> may need to be changed? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD > >>>>>>> drive is bad. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> . > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> . > >> > >> > >> . > > > . >
From: LewB on 28 Apr 2010 13:01 "There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for purchase. Is there any proscription to trying several on the same computer? That is, is there a conflict that could develop in the same way that having two AV programs on the same computer is a no-no. " Sorry about the typo. I meant there are a number of backup programs out there....... LJB -- LJB "Daave" wrote: > YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there would > be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc. See: > > http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515 > > I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some people > report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the capability > of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the flexibility of > going back in time several images (a la System Restore), so this is why > I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you know) can do clones, too, but not > incremental ones. > > If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the > bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they need > to be created!) > > > LewB wrote: > > Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you > > have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware) > > for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question > > that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of > > 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now to > > inquire about backups and what is considered better, best, safest, > > etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and have used > > it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are no bad > > characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft Security > > Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other thread. I > > like the idea of an image because you avoid the painstaking > > reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB > > "Daave" wrote: > > > >> Cool! Good job! > >> > >> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up > >> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more > >> responders this way. > >> > >> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly > >> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting a > >> new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different > >> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call), > >> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others can > >> refer to it (to see the bigger picture). > >> > >> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article: > >> > >> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314 > >> > >> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* you > >> do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a disaster > >> the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the updates and > >> all your programs, but who wants to do that when restoring an image > >> of your hard drive takes care of all that instantly! > >> > >> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other > >> programs are fine, too. > >> > >> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless you > >> use it just to back up data). > >> > >> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it > >> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary > >> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows > >> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into > >> another form. > >> > >> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on > >> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The > >> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS, > >> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play > >> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use. > >> > >> > >> LewB wrote: > >>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard > >>> today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and > >>> then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that > >>> the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as advertised. > >>> In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same > >>> thread > >>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over > >>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all > >>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary > >>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that comes > >>> with WinXP? > >>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an > >>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat > >>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and find > >>> it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies what he > >>> wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt copies them > >>> back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that what Backup in > >>> WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of reinstallation of > >>> apps that an image program avoids but also carries over whatever > >>> nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the > >>> format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway many thanks for you great > >>> help. LJB > >>> > >>> > >>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard. > >>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key" > >>>> issue. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> LewB wrote: > >>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard? > >>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip > >>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2 > >>>>> > >>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? > >>>>> Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia > >>>>> Keyboard > >>>>> 1.0A > >>>>> > >>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to > >>>>> be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS > >>>>> > >>>>>> Daave wrote: > >>>>>>> LewB wrote: > >>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the > >>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will > >>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. > >>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the system > >>>>>>>> does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but when > >>>>>>>> this is done Windows boots normally. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Try another keyboard. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless > >>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that > >>>>>>> may need to be changed? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD > >>>>>>> drive is bad. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> . > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> . > >> > >> > >> . > > > . >
From: Daave on 28 Apr 2010 13:06 I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same time. (Same with AV programs, BTW...) LewB wrote: > "There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for > purchase. Is there any proscription to trying several on the same > computer? That is, is there a conflict that could develop in the same > way that having two AV programs on the same computer is a no-no. " > > Sorry about the typo. I meant there are a number of backup programs > out there....... > LJB > > >> YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there >> would be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc. >> See: >> >> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515 >> >> I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some >> people report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the >> capability of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the >> flexibility of going back in time several images (a la System >> Restore), so this is why I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you >> know) can do clones, too, but not incremental ones. >> >> If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the >> bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they >> need to be created!) >> >> >> LewB wrote: >>> Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you >>> have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware) >>> for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question >>> that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of >>> 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now >>> to inquire about backups and what is considered better, best, >>> safest, etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and >>> have used it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are >>> no bad characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft >>> Security Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other >>> thread. I like the idea of an image because you avoid the >>> painstaking reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB >>> "Daave" wrote: >>> >>>> Cool! Good job! >>>> >>>> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up >>>> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more >>>> responders this way. >>>> >>>> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly >>>> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting >>>> a new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different >>>> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call), >>>> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others >>>> can refer to it (to see the bigger picture). >>>> >>>> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article: >>>> >>>> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314 >>>> >>>> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* >>>> you do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a >>>> disaster the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the >>>> updates and all your programs, but who wants to do that when >>>> restoring an image of your hard drive takes care of all that >>>> instantly! >>>> >>>> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other >>>> programs are fine, too. >>>> >>>> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless >>>> you use it just to back up data). >>>> >>>> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it >>>> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary >>>> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows >>>> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into >>>> another form. >>>> >>>> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on >>>> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The >>>> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS, >>>> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play >>>> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use. >>>> >>>> >>>> LewB wrote: >>>>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new >>>>> keyboard today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able >>>>> to format and then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I >>>>> am pleased that the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as >>>>> advertised. In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the >>>>> posts to the same thread >>>>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over >>>>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all >>>>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary >>>>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that >>>>> comes with WinXP? >>>>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an >>>>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat >>>>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and >>>>> find it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies >>>>> what he wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt >>>>> copies them back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that >>>>> what Backup in WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of >>>>> reinstallation of apps that an image program avoids but also >>>>> carries over whatever nondesirable objects that you hopefully are >>>>> getting rid of with the format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway >>>>> many thanks for you great help. LJB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard. >>>>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key" >>>>>> issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> LewB wrote: >>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard? >>>>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip >>>>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless >>>>>>> perhaps? Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless >>>>>>> Multimedia >>>>>>> Keyboard >>>>>>> 1.0A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need >>>>>>> to be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Daave wrote: >>>>>>>>> LewB wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the >>>>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will >>>>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. >>>>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the >>>>>>>>>> system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" >>>>>>>>>> but when this is done Windows boots normally. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Try another keyboard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless >>>>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that >>>>>>>>> may need to be changed? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the >>>>>>>>> CD drive is bad. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> . >> >> >> .
From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on 28 Apr 2010 13:16
Must've been thinking of http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msestart/thread/407bf6da-c05d-4546-8788-0aa4c25a1f91 If you have more questions about MSE, post here: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse LewB wrote: > "I suspect I mentioned that removal tool at some point" > > You did. It was in a list along with a number of other links that I simply > overlooked and screwed up in my haste to get to MSE assuming Add/Remove > would take care of everything. So what good is Add/Remove? Some of the > apps come with an uninstall file, many do not and Add/Remove is the only > option. The link you sent > (http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msestart/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4) > has many sections but none discuss what I just did and how, if at all, MSE > might be effected? > > >> Check list for installing Microsoft Security Essentials >> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msestart/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4 >> >> Ideally, the McAfee removal tool would have been run before you installed >> MSE. >> >> Now I'm not gonna search your many threads but I suspect I mentioned that >> removal tool at some point in one or more of them. >> >> LewB wrote: >>> The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of >>> the >>> others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except >>> Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more >>> may >>> be better than less. >>> As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control >>> Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no >>> problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had >>> overlooked >>> this link: >>> >>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe >>> >>> so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't >>> believe >>> the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I >>> don't >>> know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of >>> MSE? >>> >>>> Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your >>>> computer. >>>> >>>> That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming >>>> you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for >>>> SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so. >>>> >>>> LewB wrote: >>>>> Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was >>>>> removed >>>>> in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous >>>>> suggestions >>>>> were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly >>>>> SuperAntispyware. >>>>> Do >>>>> these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and >>>>> Destroy >>>>> but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the >>>>> others. >>>>> >>>>>> Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had >>>>>> been >>>>>> installed on the computer 'way back when. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes >>>>>> Defender >>>>>> "technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender >>>>>> will >>>>>> be >>>>>> disabled). See this discussion: >>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msestart/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> LewB wrote: >>>>>>> Robear, >>>>>>> I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the >>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>> Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> clean >>>>>>> install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder >>>>>>> again >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two >>>>>>> files: >>>>>>> microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005) >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from >>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>> and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread. >>>>>>> As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been >>>>>>> bundled >>>>>>> up >>>>>>> in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both >>>>>>> Defender >>>>>>> and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I >>>>>>> guess >>>>>>> that is routine?? >>>>>>> LJB >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> (one >>>>>>>> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to >>>>>>>> assist >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> will have the complete history available to them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LewB wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a >>>>>>>>> limit >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> site >>>>>>>>> administrator. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What Lem said. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new >>>>>>>>>> threads >>>>>>>>>> about this computer & your problems. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several >>>>>>>>>>> weeks >>>>>>>>>>> ago. >>>>>>>>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R >>>>>>>>>>> click >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> C >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other >>>>>>>>>>> utilities >>>>>>>>>>> running. >>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot >>>>>>>>>>> process. >>>>>>>>>>> LB >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If >>>>>>>>>>>> you've >>>>>>>>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not >>>>>>>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> =============================== >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See >>>>>>>>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or >>>>>>>>>>>> Method >>>>>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new >>>>>>>>>>>> computer" >>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise >>>>>>>>>>>> connecting >>>>>>>>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other >>>>>>>>>>>> computers) >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or >>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't >>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>> freshly formatted: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go >>>>>>>>>>>> online >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Other helpful references include: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) >>>>>>>>>>>> fully >>>>>>>>>>>> patched >>>>>>>>>>>> (after a clean install) >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched >>>>>>>>>>>> (after >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> clean install) >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install >>>>>>>>>>>> KB971029 >>>>>>>>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows >>>>>>>>>>>> Service >>>>>>>>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus >>>>>>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Norton Removal Tool >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >>>>>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the >>>>>>>>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>>>>> Setup >>>>>>>>>>>>> disc >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD >>>>>>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> disc >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> CD" >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> listed >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> "boot devise priority". >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0:DVD-ROM DVD-16x6S >>>>>>>>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two >>>>>>>>>>>>> optical >>>>>>>>>>>>> drives. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>> disc >>>>>>>>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>> Security >>>>>>>>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling >>>>>>>>>>>>> it....or >>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> critical. >>>>>>>>>>>>> LJB >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>> >>>> . >> >> . |