Upgrading to XP w/SP2 from 98SE, via boot of CD
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From: Nepatsfan on 16 Mar 2008 14:19 "gcmom7" <u42153(a)uwe> wrote in message news:8139802161f71(a)uwe... > Nepatsfan wrote: >>>I am trying to upgrade to XP w/SP2 from 98SE, via boot of CD. The XP Setup >>> doesn't recognize a previous Windows OS on my comp, so it asked me to insert >>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> confirmation to this question of mine. >>> LOL~ Thanks for your help and prompt replies. :-) Appreciate it. >> >>If you're aim in upgrading is to preserve your installed applications and >>data, >>you're going about this the wrong way. You should start the upgrade from >>within >>Windows 98. With Windows 98 running, put the CD in the drive. If it doesn't >>autoplay, go into My Computer, open your CD drive, and click on setup.exe. >>This >>should launch the installation process. You want to select the Upgrade option >>when asked. >> >>By booting from the CD you'll end up with a fresh installation of XP, but >>you'll >>then have to reinstall all your programs and restore your data. This isn't a >>bad >>approach, but first make sure you've backed up all your important files. >> >>Here are some web sites you may find helpful. >> >>How to prepare to upgrade Windows 98 or Windows Millennium Edition to Windows >>XP >>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316639 >> >>Upgrading to Windows XP >>http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm >> >>Good luck >> >>Nepatsfan > > Another problem with trying to get support at microsoft.com is that nearly > every link that is supposed to take you to info about upgrading to XP > eventually gets you to some page that tells you that Microsoft doesn't > support or recognize 98SE. Well, duhhhhh, ....that's why I'm trying to > upgrade to XP. (and apparently I'm running late in the stage to do so with > support from them) > I even downloaded the XP Upgrade Advisor by itself from their website. (they > actually did have this part). > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/upgrading/advisor.mspx However, once > I downloaded and started it, it wouldn't connect to the Microsoft Support > site,.......mainly, I do believe, because their site no longer recognizes > 98SE. Arrggh~ And, I can't seem to find a place on their website to reach > someone to 'talk to' in an online window.(like I did when I first ordered the > system last year.) Note: I didn't put the system on the comp then, > because I had several high school students and a college student who had > reports and such on there, and I didn't want to take the chance on losing > them at the time. However, it has become pertinent to upgrading to XP now, at > least, so that a particular online class program can be reached via our comp. > > > Any more suggestions?? I may have to end up seeing if I can exchange the XP > Upgrade CD for a Vista, I guess. Hmmm...don't know if they'll let me do that, > though. > > Bottom line is this: I need to know if I will actually be able to upgrade > my system to XP, from my 98SE, with my XP w/SP2 Upgrade(only, I think. That's > what it states on the CD, anyway.) CD, via a boot from the CD itself, will I > definitely lose all programs and current settings. ??? > Let's get the easy stuff out of the way first. You can forget about putting Vista on your computer. As currently configured, your system doesn't meet the minimum requirements to install any version of Vista. Next, as Jim pointed out in his post, while your system meets the minimum requirements to run XP, it's not going to set any records for speed. Sluggish would be how I'd describe the performance you can expect. You may not want to here this, but your system is at the borderline of where I'd consider installing Windows XP. Even then, I'd do a clean install of XP. It's a lot of work since it means reinstalling all your programs and restoring your backed up data, but it will pay off in the long run. Also, it's my opinion that putting any money into this system by upgrading components would be a waste. You could spend half of what a new system would cost and achieve a minimal boost in performance. Now, back to your current problem. Since your XP Upgrade CD is a retail product, you should be able to get no-charge support from Microsoft for any installation questions. I can't speak from first hand experience since I've never had the need to contact them, but you might want to give it a shot. Take a look at this web site for more info. Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Help and Support http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=3219&gprid=37013 That said, I tried to recreate the problems you ran into during your attempts at upgrading Windows 98 to Windows XP. First, I installed Windows 98 along with a few programs on my test system. Once I had Windows 98 configured properly, I put an XP Home Edition upgrade CD in the drive and started the upgrade process. On my first attempt, I ran into the same problem you did with Dynamic Update. It reported back that it couldn't contact the Microsoft server. When I chose to skip this step, the update continued. I shut down the update process and ran it a second time. This time the Dynamic Update process went along as expected. You might want to try running the update from within Windows 98 a number of times to see if you can get past the Dynamic Update problem. If it keeps failing, try shutting down your antivirus program and disconnecting from the internet. Next, I restarted the computer and booted from the XP upgrade CD to confirm that it would result in a clean installation of XP. I chose to use the existing C:\Windows folder. As expected, the programs that were installed under Windows 98 were no longer available from the Start menu in XP. They were still on the hard drive in the Program Files folder, but would not run. The bottom line is that if you boot from the CD and install XP, you will not have access to your old programs and data files such as your email messages. If you can't get the upgrade to run from Windows 98, your only option may be to back up your files and perform a clean installation of XP. Good luck Nepatsfan
From: gcmom7 via WindowsKB.com on 16 Mar 2008 17:24 Nepatsfan wrote: >>>>I am trying to upgrade to XP w/SP2 from 98SE, via boot of CD. The XP Setup >>>> doesn't recognize a previous Windows OS on my comp, so it asked me to insert >[quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >> what it states on the CD, anyway.) CD, via a boot from the CD itself, will I >> definitely lose all programs and current settings. ??? > >Let's get the easy stuff out of the way first. You can forget about putting >Vista on your computer. As currently configured, your system doesn't meet the >minimum requirements to install any version of Vista. > >Next, as Jim pointed out in his post, while your system meets the minimum >requirements to run XP, it's not going to set any records for speed. Sluggish >would be how I'd describe the performance you can expect. You may not want to >here this, but your system is at the borderline of where I'd consider installing >Windows XP. Even then, I'd do a clean install of XP. It's a lot of work since it >means reinstalling all your programs and restoring your backed up data, but it >will pay off in the long run. Also, it's my opinion that putting any money into >this system by upgrading components would be a waste. You could spend half of >what a new system would cost and achieve a minimal boost in performance. > >Now, back to your current problem. Since your XP Upgrade CD is a retail product, >you should be able to get no-charge support from Microsoft for any installation >questions. I can't speak from first hand experience since I've never had the >need to contact them, but you might want to give it a shot. Take a look at this >web site for more info. > >Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Help and Support >http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=3219&gprid=37013 > >That said, I tried to recreate the problems you ran into during your attempts at >upgrading Windows 98 to Windows XP. First, I installed Windows 98 along with a >few programs on my test system. Once I had Windows 98 configured properly, I put >an XP Home Edition upgrade CD in the drive and started the upgrade process. On >my first attempt, I ran into the same problem you did with Dynamic Update. It >reported back that it couldn't contact the Microsoft server. When I chose to >skip this step, the update continued. I shut down the update process and ran it >a second time. This time the Dynamic Update process went along as expected. You >might want to try running the update from within Windows 98 a number of times to >see if you can get past the Dynamic Update problem. If it keeps failing, try >shutting down your antivirus program and disconnecting from the internet. > >Next, I restarted the computer and booted from the XP upgrade CD to confirm that >it would result in a clean installation of XP. I chose to use the existing >C:\Windows folder. As expected, the programs that were installed under Windows >98 were no longer available from the Start menu in XP. They were still on the >hard drive in the Program Files folder, but would not run. > >The bottom line is that if you boot from the CD and install XP, you will not >have access to your old programs and data files such as your email messages. If >you can't get the upgrade to run from Windows 98, your only option may be to >back up your files and perform a clean installation of XP. > >Good luck > >Nepatsfan Thank you for your response. Before I received it last night, I read on Microsoft's site that if it the install program stopped responding, to try to wait 10-15 mins to see if it would start up again. I tried this---within the regular set-up of my comp, via 98SE....not via a boot from the CD-----and it did indeed start responding again after about just 5-7 mins of stopping responding. Since the program wasn't reaching the Microsoft update site (as you discovered, too), I had disconnected my cable internet. After the Dynamic Update couldn't reach the website, I clicked the 'go on ahead and install' section, too. (I had done that before, too.....but, after it stopped responding, of course, I exited the program, rather than trying to wait 10-20 mins, as Microsoft site suggested.) However, when the install tonight got to analyzing the computer, (it started out telling me that it would take 83 mins approx for the install------or thereabouts), it stopped telling me that at about 78 mins., though the program wasn't hanging up, at least not to the point that it said that when I did Cntrl, Alt, Del to check. The small multicolored squares at the bottom right of the program's screen, too, never stopped moving across and across--showing the program was still responding. The Intro to XP never stopped running over----the screens that tell you all about what's going to be available both on and with XP. After about an hour, though, being "stuck" at 78 mins and about 2/3 of the way thru analyzing the comp, though it still showed the program as 'responding', I then gave up, by Cntl, Alt, Del and ending the Update process. It asked if I wanted to do that, I said yes, and then it told me it would spend time 'un-doing' what it'd done already, it did, and then the program closed as asked. I restarted the comp, then tried the entire thing again------this time hooking it up to the internet again, though it can't reach that site anyway. I went thru just what you mentioned, saying no to the Dynamic Update after the first try, and it went on again as I just described-----hitting the same hang-up for about 5-6 mins, then responding again. Once again, it stopped at about 2/3 of the analyzing of the comp, at about 78 mins left in the installation--it said, and even though I left it on and watched it for about another hour, whilst the program never stopped responding-----Intro screens still moved, the bottom-right squares still moved across and across, and Cntl, Alt, Del never indicated the program wasn't responding.......I then went to bed,leaving it on all night, occasionally looking at it when I awoke a few times--to find it doing the same ol' responding (supposedly), and as of this morning when I got up, it still hadn't moved any further on its graph of analyzing the comp, nor of the 78 mins time left. I did read at Microsoft that I could put the FAT32 into that NTSB, but, of course, that was suggested to be done after I found the XP program to be working with the comp for a few days AFTER the installation of it, because one can't change that back. I was hoping that perhaps that might help the comp not run in the sluggish manner that both you and Jim suggest it to probably doing once it's installed. I just can't seem to get it installed. LOL~ I guess I'll try to get ahold of Microsoft and see what they say about the installation of it right now. I still don't understand why my comp specs seem to be enough for what is suggested to have a min. of for XP, and why you and Jim don't seem to think that will be good enough......though, don't get me wrong, ....I trust that.... .I just don't get it. ha~ I did find at Microsoft last night that I wouldn't have enough on my comp, at this point, to do Vista. BTW, would adding an external hard drive add enough comp specs to do Vista? I know you both suggest a new comp, but those are considerably more in cost as to what I could afford to do right now. ;-0 Thanks for your help here.... -- Message posted via WindowsKB.com http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/windows-xp-setup/200803/1
From: gcmom7 via WindowsKB.com on 16 Mar 2008 17:57 gcmom7 wrote: >>>>>I am trying to upgrade to XP w/SP2 from 98SE, via boot of CD. The XP Setup >>>>> doesn't recognize a previous Windows OS on my comp, so it asked me to insert >[quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> >>Nepatsfan > >Thank you for your response. Before I received it last night, I read on >Microsoft's site that if it the install program stopped responding, to try to >wait 10-15 mins to see if it would start up again. I tried this---within the >regular set-up of my comp, via 98SE....not via a boot from the CD-----and it >did indeed start responding again after about just 5-7 mins of stopping >responding. Since the program wasn't reaching the Microsoft update site (as >you discovered, too), I had disconnected my cable internet. After the Dynamic >Update couldn't reach the website, I clicked the 'go on ahead and install' >section, too. (I had done that before, too.....but, after it stopped >responding, of course, I exited the program, rather than trying to wait 10-20 >mins, as Microsoft site suggested.) However, when the install tonight got to >analyzing the computer, (it started out telling me that it would take 83 mins >approx for the install------or thereabouts), it stopped telling me that at >about 78 mins., though the program wasn't hanging up, at least not to the >point that it said that when I did Cntrl, Alt, Del to check. The small >multicolored squares at the bottom right of the program's screen, too, never >stopped moving across and across--showing the program was still responding. >The Intro to XP never stopped running over----the screens that tell you all >about what's going to be available both on and with XP. After about an hour, >though, being "stuck" at 78 mins and about 2/3 of the way thru analyzing the >comp, though it still showed the program as 'responding', I then gave up, by >Cntl, Alt, Del and ending the Update process. It asked if I wanted to do that, >I said yes, and then it told me it would spend time 'un-doing' what it'd done >already, it did, and then the program closed as asked. I restarted the comp, >then tried the entire thing again------this time hooking it up to the >internet again, though it can't reach that site anyway. I went thru just what >you mentioned, saying no to the Dynamic Update after the first try, and it >went on again as I just described-----hitting the same hang-up for about 5-6 >mins, then responding again. Once again, it stopped at about 2/3 of the >analyzing of the comp, at about 78 mins left in the installation--it said, >and even though I left it on and watched it for about another hour, whilst >the program never stopped responding-----Intro screens still moved, the >bottom-right squares still moved across and across, and Cntl, Alt, Del never >indicated the program wasn't responding.......I then went to bed,leaving it >on all night, occasionally looking at it when I awoke a few times--to find it >doing the same ol' responding (supposedly), and as of this morning when I got >up, it still hadn't moved any further on its graph of analyzing the comp, nor >of the 78 mins time left. > >I did read at Microsoft that I could put the FAT32 into that NTSB, but, of >course, that was suggested to be done after I found the XP program to be >working with the comp for a few days AFTER the installation of it, because >one can't change that back. I was hoping that perhaps that might help the >comp not run in the sluggish manner that both you and Jim suggest it to >probably doing once it's installed. >I just can't seem to get it installed. LOL~ I guess I'll try to get ahold >of Microsoft and see what they say about the installation of it right now. I >still don't understand why my comp specs seem to be enough for what is >suggested to have a min. of for XP, and why you and Jim don't seem to think >that will be good enough......though, don't get me wrong, ....I trust that.... >.I just don't get it. ha~ I did find at Microsoft last night that I wouldn't >have enough on my comp, at this point, to do Vista. > >BTW, would adding an external hard drive add enough comp specs to do Vista? I >know you both suggest a new comp, but those are considerably more in cost as >to what I could afford to do right now. ;-0 >Thanks for your help here.... I've been reading online again----please help me to understand this possible solution. If I were to purchase an External Hard Drive, connect it to my comp, then do the following with my students' 'papers', projects, pic files, my document file, and other stuff of mine, would that work to save it all to put on the comp again, once I did a Clean Install of the Windows XP SP2 that I have? Also, would I have to remove the Hard Drive from my comp to do the Clean Install, then connect it again after that? Or would it matter? ***(BTW, I have most of the programs that I need on original CD's, and the others can be downloaded again.---I have the codes to do so still, for the ones I've purchased. Some were free.)**** [b]Making backup copies manually Regardless of what version of Windows you use, you can manually make a backup copy of any file or folder by following these steps: 1. Right-click the file or folder that you want to back up, and then click Copy from the menu. 2. Now, in My Computer, you can right-click the disk or external hard drive where you want to store the backup copy, and then click Paste from the menu. [/b] -- Message posted via WindowsKB.com http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/windows-xp-setup/200803/1
From: Nepatsfan on 16 Mar 2008 18:52 "gcmom7 via WindowsKB.com" <u42153(a)uwe> wrote in message news:8142af511c5b7(a)uwe... > gcmom7 wrote: >>>>>>I am trying to upgrade to XP w/SP2 from 98SE, via boot of CD. The XP >>>>>>Setup >>>>>> doesn't recognize a previous Windows OS on my comp, so it asked me to >>>>>> insert >>[quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >>> >>>Nepatsfan >> >>Thank you for your response. Before I received it last night, I read on >>Microsoft's site that if it the install program stopped responding, to try to >>wait 10-15 mins to see if it would start up again. I tried this---within the >>regular set-up of my comp, via 98SE....not via a boot from the CD-----and it >>did indeed start responding again after about just 5-7 mins of stopping >>responding. Since the program wasn't reaching the Microsoft update site (as >>you discovered, too), I had disconnected my cable internet. After the Dynamic >>Update couldn't reach the website, I clicked the 'go on ahead and install' >>section, too. (I had done that before, too.....but, after it stopped >>responding, of course, I exited the program, rather than trying to wait 10-20 >>mins, as Microsoft site suggested.) However, when the install tonight got to >>analyzing the computer, (it started out telling me that it would take 83 mins >>approx for the install------or thereabouts), it stopped telling me that at >>about 78 mins., though the program wasn't hanging up, at least not to the >>point that it said that when I did Cntrl, Alt, Del to check. The small >>multicolored squares at the bottom right of the program's screen, too, never >>stopped moving across and across--showing the program was still responding. >>The Intro to XP never stopped running over----the screens that tell you all >>about what's going to be available both on and with XP. After about an hour, >>though, being "stuck" at 78 mins and about 2/3 of the way thru analyzing the >>comp, though it still showed the program as 'responding', I then gave up, by >>Cntl, Alt, Del and ending the Update process. It asked if I wanted to do that, >>I said yes, and then it told me it would spend time 'un-doing' what it'd done >>already, it did, and then the program closed as asked. I restarted the comp, >>then tried the entire thing again------this time hooking it up to the >>internet again, though it can't reach that site anyway. I went thru just what >>you mentioned, saying no to the Dynamic Update after the first try, and it >>went on again as I just described-----hitting the same hang-up for about 5-6 >>mins, then responding again. Once again, it stopped at about 2/3 of the >>analyzing of the comp, at about 78 mins left in the installation--it said, >>and even though I left it on and watched it for about another hour, whilst >>the program never stopped responding-----Intro screens still moved, the >>bottom-right squares still moved across and across, and Cntl, Alt, Del never >>indicated the program wasn't responding.......I then went to bed,leaving it >>on all night, occasionally looking at it when I awoke a few times--to find it >>doing the same ol' responding (supposedly), and as of this morning when I got >>up, it still hadn't moved any further on its graph of analyzing the comp, nor >>of the 78 mins time left. >> >>I did read at Microsoft that I could put the FAT32 into that NTSB, but, of >>course, that was suggested to be done after I found the XP program to be >>working with the comp for a few days AFTER the installation of it, because >>one can't change that back. I was hoping that perhaps that might help the >>comp not run in the sluggish manner that both you and Jim suggest it to >>probably doing once it's installed. >>I just can't seem to get it installed. LOL~ I guess I'll try to get ahold >>of Microsoft and see what they say about the installation of it right now. I >>still don't understand why my comp specs seem to be enough for what is >>suggested to have a min. of for XP, and why you and Jim don't seem to think >>that will be good enough......though, don't get me wrong, ....I trust that.... >>.I just don't get it. ha~ I did find at Microsoft last night that I wouldn't >>have enough on my comp, at this point, to do Vista. >> >>BTW, would adding an external hard drive add enough comp specs to do Vista? I >>know you both suggest a new comp, but those are considerably more in cost as >>to what I could afford to do right now. ;-0 >>Thanks for your help here.... > > I've been reading online again----please help me to understand this possible > solution. If I were to purchase an External Hard Drive, connect it to my comp, > then do the following with my students' 'papers', projects, pic files, my > document file, and other stuff of mine, would that work to save it all to put > on the comp again, once I did a Clean Install of the Windows XP SP2 that I > have? Also, would I have to remove the Hard Drive from my comp to do the > Clean Install, then connect it again after that? Or would it matter? ***(BTW, > I have most of the programs that I need on original CD's, and the others can > be downloaded again.---I have the codes to do so still, for the ones I've > purchased. Some were free.)**** > > [b]Making backup copies manually > Regardless of what version of Windows you use, you can manually make a backup > copy of any file or folder by following these steps: > > 1. > Right-click the file or folder that you want to back up, and then click Copy > from the menu. > > 2. > Now, in My Computer, you can right-click the disk or external hard drive > where you want to store the backup copy, and then click Paste from the menu. > [/b] > > -- > Message posted via WindowsKB.com > http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/windows-xp-setup/200803/1 > OK, let's clear up some things from your earlier post. First off, Vista is not an option as far as your current configuration goes. Adding an external drive won't change that. Next, the minimum requirements that Microsoft lists for Windows XP are just that, minimums. Yes, your components exceed the minimums, but install an antivirus program, open a web site, and launch your email program and your computer could get bogged down. As I said before, your computer will run XP, but it will struggle from time to time with various tasks. A program which requires a lot of RAM will slow your system to a crawl. Also, while NTFS is a more efficient file system than FAT32, it's not going to produce a noticeable increase in the speed of your computer. Moving on, I suspect the reason you saw the upgrade process stuck is that Windows XP had a problem with one of your hardware devices. Keep in mind that when installing or upgrading an operating system, the only items that should be connected to the computer are the keyboard, mouse, and monitor. You should also uninstall any antivirus or firewall programs that are running under Windows 98. They, or equivalent XP versions, can be reinstalled once the upgrade is complete. If you've decided to bite the bullet and go with a clean installation of XP, you not only have to back up your important files, you need to confirm that they can be restored. While XP includes a feature on the installation CD that will help you back up and restore your old files, I'm a firm believer in the approach you've outlined. I prefer to copy the actual files so they exist in their native format. While an external hard drive can be used for this purpose, I prefer to burn the files to a CD or DVD. Whatever approach you take, make sure you can open the files you've backed up. You don't want to complete the installation of XP and find that the files you thought were backed up can't be opened. Also, if you go with the external hard drive, disconnect it during the installation. Good luck Nepatsfan
From: gcmom7 via WindowsKB.com on 16 Mar 2008 20:15 Nepatsfan wrote: >>>>>>>I am trying to upgrade to XP w/SP2 from 98SE, via boot of CD. The XP >>>>>>>Setup >[quoted text clipped - 85 lines] >> where you want to store the backup copy, and then click Paste from the menu. >> [/b] > >OK, let's clear up some things from your earlier post. First off, Vista is not >an option as far as your current configuration goes. Adding an external drive >won't change that. > >Next, the minimum requirements that Microsoft lists for Windows XP are just >that, minimums. Yes, your components exceed the minimums, but install an >antivirus program, open a web site, and launch your email program and your >computer could get bogged down. As I said before, your computer will run XP, but >it will struggle from time to time with various tasks. A program which requires >a lot of RAM will slow your system to a crawl. Also, while NTFS is a more >efficient file system than FAT32, it's not going to produce a noticeable >increase in the speed of your computer. > >Moving on, I suspect the reason you saw the upgrade process stuck is that >Windows XP had a problem with one of your hardware devices. Keep in mind that >when installing or upgrading an operating system, the only items that should be >connected to the computer are the keyboard, mouse, and monitor. You should also >uninstall any antivirus or firewall programs that are running under Windows 98. >They, or equivalent XP versions, can be reinstalled once the upgrade is >complete. > >If you've decided to bite the bullet and go with a clean installation of XP, you >not only have to back up your important files, you need to confirm that they can >be restored. While XP includes a feature on the installation CD that will help >you back up and restore your old files, I'm a firm believer in the approach >you've outlined. I prefer to copy the actual files so they exist in their native >format. While an external hard drive can be used for this purpose, I prefer to >burn the files to a CD or DVD. Whatever approach you take, make sure you can >open the files you've backed up. You don't want to complete the installation of >XP and find that the files you thought were backed up can't be opened. Also, if >you go with the external hard drive, disconnect it during the installation. > >Good luck > >Nepatsfan To let you know more of what I use on my comp, and do, I figured I'd give you this info.... I don't use Outlook on my comp, so it doesn't take up any room on my comp. I took that off, cuz I prefer Hotmail and Yahoo online. My antivirus also doesn't have all that extra stuff that ones like Norton and McAfee have----it's just the free AVG that I've used for 7 years now. So, it doesn't take up as much room as Norton or McAfee, or other similar programs. As for when I tried upgrading last night again and it not really completing (it basically 'hung up', though nothing seemed to indicate that), I did turn off everything, including the antivirus program, while upgrading. All that I had running, other than the Upgrade program, was Systray and Explorer. As for firewalls, I didn't have the AVG running, so that one was off. I do have a router between the comp and the cable internet connection; it was hooked up during the installation. I also had the printer still hooked up, though it was turned off. (though that probably didn't make any difference, I'm guessing...lol) I was thinking of running the Upgrade program again later today with the printer and router, as well as the cable internet connection, un-connected. I was happy to see that you were a firm believer in the hard drive plan, rather than the XP Upgrade's backup plan. Ha~ I get some 'points'. ~grin~ I'm not certain if I can download documents to cd's with my comp. I'll have to try it out first, before picking up an external hard drive. (I'm certain I can't do DVD's, as I don't have that type of program here.) We usually just use the floppy disk, or have even just emailed our documents (for the students' school) to a comp email at school, where they print them off there. Plus, it will depend, too, on how many MB's of info we have to save. I'll let you know here how things proceed....thanks again for your help and time. I appreciate it much. -- Message posted via WindowsKB.com http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/windows-xp-setup/200803/1
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