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From: Karl E. Peterson on 8 Mar 2010 18:20
Dee Earley wrote:
> On 05/03/2010 21:17, C. Kevin Provance wrote:
>> "Shotgun Thom"<tmoran4511(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> Price for valid version usually starts with a bid of around $250.00
>> and I've seen them go as high as $600 to $800.
>> ===================
>> To hell with that.
>>
>> Torrents are your friends.
>
> So, that'd be stealing...

Philosophical question... Not sure that's an accurate word in cases
like this, as it implies a loss. From what perspective has a loss been
suffered in that scenario? Can something with zero marginal cost,
whose nominal owner has willingly ceased selling it, actually be
stolen?

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From: Paul Clement on 9 Mar 2010 08:54
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:26:06 -0500, "mayayana" <mayayana(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:

�
� > Which makes for an easy decision. If you purchase a consumer good and it
� doesn't work, then you
� > return it. If you install a software product and it doesn't work, then you
� uninstall it (and return
� > it if necessary).
� >
� > Otherwise, usage of the software is an acceptance of the license and the
� legal obligations inferred.
� >
�
� What was it we were discussing before? Intellectual
� dishonesty? It must be luscious to think only in
� black and white. You always know the truth -- no
� cogitation required.

That's pretty much the way software licenses operate. You either accept it or you don't.

If you actually wanted to discuss the issue then I'm sure you would have provided an example, but
instead you only offered a rant.


Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)
From: Dee Earley on 10 Mar 2010 05:02
On 08/03/2010 12:44, Mike Williams wrote:
> "Dee Earley" <dee.earley(a)icode.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:uEOOOfrvKHA.3536(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>> I do hope you don't write software commercially.
>> I do, and if people steal our software, I don't get
>> paid. Simple as that.
>
> I do hope the software on the disk you have purchased actually works as
> you expect it to, and that the person who sold it to you returns your
> money if it does not, because your consumer rights in law regarding
> software, if they are anything at all like they are here in the UK, are
> almost non existent. As far as I am concerned, at least until consumer
> law regarding software catches up with consumer law regarding tangible
> goods, I shall ignore any software licence that does not place as many
> legal obligations on the provider of the software as it does on the
> purchaser.

This is why we offer no obligation trials, and get the user to agree on
purchase that they have tested it and found it suitable.
We do no offer refunds as they can not return a registration key.

Most (commercial) software I'm aware of works this way.
The rest is free or O/S anyway.

Bespoke custom software is different and tends to be covered under an
agreement (just like an EULA?)

Lets see what I use..
ActivePerl, Free use, but need a licence to redistribute
Agant Ransack, Free
Dameware, Free trial
WinDebug, Freely available
Dropbox, free service
Filezilla (client and server), Open source
Firefox, Open source
Foxit, Free, paid ad free version
Chrome, Free
Google Earth, Free
Inno, Open source
LTProf, Free trial
Paint Shop Pro, Bought (on CD) software, but trials are/were available
Office, Trials are available and installed on most new machines
Opera, Free
VS6, Company licence (no free trial though)
VS2005, Company licence
MZTools, Free
PuTTY, Open source
Safari, Free
TeamViewer, Free for personal or trial, but commercial use licence available
Thunderbird, Open source
Winamp, Free (paid pro version available
WinDirStat, Open source
WinMerge, Open source
WinPCap, Open source
WinRar, Free trial and nags
Wireshark, Open source

The ONLY software I use (and at home) that we couldn't test before
purchase was VS6 which was pretty much required anyway (oh, and possibly
Windows, but is available as a free trial as well now)

--
Dee Earley (dee.earley(a)icode.co.uk)
i-Catcher Development Team

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