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From: ok on 23 Jun 2010 08:58
This is a commentary on the above email story and it is very
interesting.

After reading the last emails circulated by some organisations, it is
reassuring to feel like a proud indian, until one realises that the
assumptions in these articles are based on myths and blind faith.

Such emails are circulated repeatedly by devotees for rationalising
their view points and the articles appear convincing to a common man.
It is mentioned that intuition and divine powers enabled Sages to
predict the speed of light, measure distance between earth and sun
etc.

In Greece astronomy was developed centuaries ago. The Greek did not
claim any divine powers but applied human mind through logic and
reason and they did it more than 1000 years before our scriptures had
recorded these "spiritual revelations" in India. The philosophers like
Socrates were not called divine sages, but were considered to be
teachers of knowledge.

1) The greek astronomer Aristarchus in the Third Century BC introduced
six hypotheses, from which he determined first the relative distances
of the sun and the moon, then their relative sizes:
(For this knowledge, is referred in the email as a great "spiritual
revelation" in the Surya Siddhanta written in 6 th cen AD. And it
claims The Surya Siddhanta is the oldest surviving astronomical text
in the Indian tradition )
1) The moon receives its light from the sun.
2) The earth is positioned as a point in the center of the sphere in
which the moon moves.
3) When the moon appears to us halved, the great circle which divides
the dark and bright portions of the moon is in the direction of our
eye.
4) When the moon appears to us halved, its [angular] distance from the
sun is then less than a quadrant by one-thirtieth part of a quadrant.
(One quadrant = 90 degrees, which means its angular distance is less
than 90 by 1/30th of 90, or 3 degrees, and is therefore equal to 87
degrees.) (This assigned value was based on Aristarchus'
observations.)
5) The breadth of the earth's shadow is that of two moons.
6) The moon subtends one fifteenth part of a sign of the Zodiac. (The
360 degrees of the celestial sphere are divided into twelve signs of
the Zodiac each encompassing 30 degrees, so the moon, therefore, has
an angular diameter of 2 degrees.)
Although he proved many propositions (eighteen to be exact), the three
most well-known are the following:
1) The distance of the sun from the earth is greater than eighteen
times, but less than twenty times, the distance of the moon from the
earth.
2) The diameter of the sun has the same ratio (greater than eighteen
but less than twenty) to the diameter of the moon.
3) the diameter of the sun has to the diameter of the earth a ratio
greater than 19 to 3, but less than 43 to 6.

2) Pythagoras.. The Greek philosopher Pythagoras about 550 B.C.
noticed that the so-called evening star and morning star were the same
body. The idea of Earth as a sphere was borne from this observation
and not of vedic revelation. The moon was visible as a model sphere
for earth.

3) Aristotle. In the 4th century B.C., Aristotle of Stagira knew the
Earth was round because of eclipses observed when Earth passed between
the Moon and the Sun.

Eratosthenes. In the 3rd century B.C., Eratosthenes was a Greek
astronomer working in Egypt when he noticed the Sun directly over one
city cast a shadow in another city 500 miles north. Eratosthenes
understood correctly that meant Earth's surface is curved. He
calculated correctly that Earth is a ball about 25,000 miles around.

4) About 330 BC
Heraclides of Pontus (Çñáêëåßäçò ï Ðïíôéêüò ) said that the earth
turns daily on its axis "while the heavenly things were at rest...,
considered the cosmos to be infinite..., [and] with the Pythagoreans,
considered each planet to be a world with an earth-like body and with
an atmosphere" (Dreyer 1906:123-125). He also suggested that Mercury
and Venus have the sun at the center of their spheres.Oenopides, a
Greek philosopher around 450 BC, measured the inclination of the Earth
axis with respect to the ecliptic plane to be 24 degrees.

5) Aristarchus of Samos (around 310-230 BC) a mathematician and
astronomer was a student of Strato of Lampsacus, head of Aristotle's
Lyceum. He considered the sizes and distances of the sun and the moon,
and was the first to try to calculate the distances of these bodies
geometrically.

6) Once it was known that earth and other planets revolved round the
sun it was easy to calculate the speed of light .


Now read again the email which says the ancient indian text written
about 1000 years later in the 6 th Centuary AD , had the following
details :

"The very first lines of the Surya Siddhanta, for of the Golden Age a
great astronomer named Maya desired to learn the secrets of the
heavens, so he first performed rigorous yogic practices. Then the
answers to his questions appeared in his mind in an intuitive flash.

Does this sound unlikely? Yoga Sutra 3:26-28 states that through,
samyama
(concentration, meditation, and unbroken mental absorption) on the
sun, moon, and pole star, we can gain knowledge of the planets and
stars. Sutra 3:33 clarifies, saying: "Through keenly developed
intuition, everything can be known."


Notes:Writing appeared in India around the 3rd century BC in the form
of the Brahmi script, but texts of the length of the Rigveda were
likely not written down until much later, the oldest surviving
Rigvedic manuscript dating to the 14th century.

This is the way myths work. Blind faith can lead to only illogiocal
conclusions.


7) There are many ways to calculate the speed of light just by knowing
the path of the celestial bodies.
And we know the ancient Indians had already knew the way the planets
and sun moved in the sky. Once it was known that earth and other
planets revolved round the sun it was easy to calculate the speed of
light as it was done in 1675 by ROMAR to calculated it. So it is no
surprise that in 1387 indians knew the speed of light.

Infact internet shows that Greek astromers knew almost everything that
the vedas has recorded.

In 600 BC: Thales of Miletus (636-546) BC predicts a solar eclipse
( (28.5. 585 BC, Julian Calendar or 22. 5. 584 BC Gregorian Calendar
About 470 BC Parmenides (Ðáñìåíßäçò ï ÅëåÜôçò) says that the Earth
shape is spherical (Diogenes Laertius)
Sayana is saying that sunlight travels at 186,000 miles per second!
How could a Vedic scholar who died in 1387 A. D. know this?


One of The method used was this:

When Jupiter was farther away, light would take even longer to get
from there to here, so that Roemer was seeing Io as it had been at an
even earlier time than usual--maybe an hour and fifteen minutes ago,
instead of an hour. And the opposite would happen when Jupiter and the
earth were especially close together. So Io wasn't changing its orbit
at all; it would just appear to be in different places depending on
how long its light had taken to get here.

From: spudnik on 23 Jun 2010 22:00
that's about what Roemer did (no umlaut
for the o, hereat). note that
Vedic astrology included the precession of the equinoxes,
whereas Western or Symbolic or Solar atrology doesn't;
it is based upon Ptolemy's hoax, which had no epicylce
for that well-known phenomenon. so,
when a typical western astrologer does your sign,
it is no-better than the twelve daily fortune-cookies
in the newspaper -- Sydney Omarr is dead;
long-live Sydney Omarr (TM) !!

thus&so:
sic!

> > a + b + c + d = x^2
> > a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2 = y^2
> > a^3+b^3+c^3+d^3 = z^3
> If (a, b, c, d) is a solution then so is
> (akk, bkk, ckk, dkk)
> for any square kk.
> Solutions for a,b,c,d < 1300 with
> no such common square factor include
> (0, 0, 0, 1)
> (10, 13, 14, 44)
> (54, 109, 202, 260)
> (102, 130, 234, 318)

thus&so:
surely it could not be so hard,
to find some of the rather definitive un-null results
of Michelson, Morely et al; is it?... well, even
as Albert the Witnit wobbled on the idea of aether,
it is really a matter of interpretation. so,
why cannot the electromagnetic properties
of atoms in "space" be an aether; to wit,
permitivity & permeability?

should your "theory" can be taken at all seriously,
you'd have to be able to explain such; would you not?

oh, and there never was a twin paradox;
it is just a "term of art" and pop-science. I mean,
shouldn't the few properties of energy, of light,
be of the ultimate importance for matter,
per the experiments of Young, Fresnel et al,
in utterly burying Newton's "theory" of corpuscles
-- til it was rescued by the word, "photon;
hereinat to be interpreted to mean a massless rock
o'light?... and, thanks for that Nobel!"

> Using Larmor’s transform, there is no twin’s paradox.

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how about a tiny tax, instead of the Last Bailout
of Wall Street and the "City of London?"
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2010/lar_pac/100621pne_nordyke.html

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