From: Ben Shimmin on
Tim Hodgson <thnews(a)poboxmolar.com.invalid>:
> I have a new 500GB Western Digital Scorpio Blue HD in in my 2009 MBP,
> and it's all fine, except for the continuous spinning up and down. It
> sounds like the 'click' problem I remember being reported last year
> (which ISTR was fixed in a firmware update?), except there's no actual
> clicking, just the soft whine of the disk, up and down and up and down
> and... about once every 4-5 seconds. And of course the hiccups in
> responsiveness when it happens to be spun down.

You can stop the disks spinning down using pmset(1):

$ pmset -a disksleep 0

(Or something like that; I forget the exact syntax.)

I can happily endorse hdapm (<URL:http://mckinlay.net.nz/hdapm/>) to
solve the clicking problem for anyone who's suffering from that.

b.

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From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on
On Tue, 11 May 2010 12:33:13 +0100, Ben Shimmin
<bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

>Tim Hodgson <thnews(a)poboxmolar.com.invalid>:
>> I have a new 500GB Western Digital Scorpio Blue HD in in my 2009 MBP,
>> and it's all fine, except for the continuous spinning up and down. It
>> sounds like the 'click' problem I remember being reported last year
>> (which ISTR was fixed in a firmware update?), except there's no actual
>> clicking, just the soft whine of the disk, up and down and up and down
>> and... about once every 4-5 seconds. And of course the hiccups in
>> responsiveness when it happens to be spun down.
>
>You can stop the disks spinning down using pmset(1):
>
> $ pmset -a disksleep 0
>
>(Or something like that; I forget the exact syntax.)
>
>I can happily endorse hdapm (<URL:http://mckinlay.net.nz/hdapm/>) to
>solve the clicking problem for anyone who's suffering from that.

Me too - though I can no longer remember if it was a Seagate Momentus
or a WD Blue 500gig that was clicky at me. Tch.

Cheers - Jaimie
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From: Ben Shimmin on
Tim Hodgson <thnews(a)poboxmolar.com.invalid>:
> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>> >I must say though that this HD is decidedly noisier than the stock
>> >Samsung it replaced. And it's higher frequency, and therefore more
>> >intrusive (obtrusive?).
>>
>> That's very surprising to me - the four WD Blues (250 and 500gig) I've
>> had here have all been almost inaudible. My hearing range goes up past
>> 17kHz and things like CRTs bug me with their high-pitched flyback
>> noise, so it's not that I'm deaf to them...
>
> 'Higher frequency' was probably a misleading way to put it - I don't
> mean a high-pitched whine, it's broader-band than that - more like a
> gentle hiss. And now that it's not constantly stopping and starting, I
> can probably live with it :)

I have a WD Scorpio in mine too (32GB, 7200rpm, I think Black rather
than Blue), and I can attest it certainly does have a quite audible
buzzing sound which is certainly louder than the stock drive it
replaced (which was, I think, totally silent). Once I sorted out the
clicking sound with hdapm, though, I learnt to live with it.

That said, I'm sorely tempted by an SD. I think it'd be worth it for
me, given how long the bastarding Adobe CS apps take to load.

b.

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From: Ben Shimmin on
I wrote:

[...]
>
> I have a WD Scorpio in mine too (32GB, 7200rpm, I think Black rather

320GB, too.

> than Blue), and I can attest it certainly does have a quite audible
> buzzing sound which is certainly louder than the stock drive it
> replaced (which was, I think, totally silent). Once I sorted out the
> clicking sound with hdapm, though, I learnt to live with it.
>
> That said, I'm sorely tempted by an SD. I think it'd be worth it for
> me, given how long the bastarding Adobe CS apps take to load.

Then again, looking at the prices of SSDs, they're still ridiculous.
An iPad is cheaper than a 256GB SSD!

b.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Tim Hodgson <thnews(a)poboxmolar.com.invalid> wrote:

> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>
> > >I must say though that this HD is decidedly noisier than the stock
> > >Samsung it replaced. And it's higher frequency, and therefore more
> > >intrusive (obtrusive?).
> >
> > That's very surprising to me - the four WD Blues (250 and 500gig) I've
> > had here have all been almost inaudible. My hearing range goes up past
> > 17kHz and things like CRTs bug me with their high-pitched flyback
> > noise, so it's not that I'm deaf to them...
>
> 'Higher frequency' was probably a misleading way to put it - I don't
> mean a high-pitched whine, it's broader-band than that - more like a
> gentle hiss.

That's still high frequency - but with energy spread over a broad band
rather than a narrow band.

That means the peak amplitude is lower than it'd be if the design didn't
spread the energy over a broad band (when it's whining, it's
narrower-band), so it's less intrusive than it'd otherwise be.

Thinking in terms of energy is often very useful.

btw, Jamie, I can still (just about) hear up to 20kHz with one of my
ears, but I find at the age of 43 that flyback noise doesn't bother me
anything like as badly as it did when I was 16 (I could hear 20kHz with
both ears in my early 20s; one ear could just about detect 22kHz then,
and I *had* seen Motorhead more than once. And experienced the 1812
Overture with field artillery accompaniment).

So I was wondering: how old are you, and surely it's less bad than it
used to be?

[snip]

Rowland.

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