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From: krw on 3 Dec 2009 19:00 On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:41:24 -0500, PeterD <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote: >On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:56:39 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:14 -0500, PeterD <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:31:14 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:21:16 -0000, "invalid" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>"PeterD" <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:4bsch597vk8d8hve55usli90i45ntqomn0(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:16:59 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." >>>>>> <paul(a)hovnanian.com> wrote: >>>>>>>What does the Koran say about off-topic posts? >>>>>> Doesn't is say that you get turned into a virgin? >>>>> >>>>>Which raises the point as to how those 72 virgins in heaven feel >>>>>about being allocated as shagging-fodder? >>>> >>>>Are you questioning Allah? >>> >>>Don't know... How does one question a mythical being? >> >>Wow, you like to live on the wild side, Salmon. > >The wild side is posting a troll for a pedophile... <g> Sure, because you'll get to be Holly's bottom bunkie.
From: Robert Latest on 4 Dec 2009 11:56 Rich Grise wrote: > On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:45:09 +0000, Robert Latest wrote: >> invalid wrote: >>> "PeterD" <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in message >>> news:4bsch597vk8d8hve55usli90i45ntqomn0(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:16:59 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." >>>> <paul(a)hovnanian.com> wrote: >>>>>What does the Koran say about off-topic posts? >>>> Doesn't is say that you get turned into a virgin? >>> >>> Which raises the point as to how those 72 virgins in heaven feel about >>> being allocated as shagging-fodder? >> >> Interestingly, the word "virgin" doesn't appear once in the entire Koran, >> at least not in the English translation I found somewhere on the 'Net. > > How about "maiden" or "spinster?" Negative. There might have females mentioned, but in no context that would allow them to be interpreted as some kind of trophy. robert
From: Rich Grise on 4 Dec 2009 17:25 On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:56:08 +0000, Robert Latest wrote: > Rich Grise wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:45:09 +0000, Robert Latest wrote: >>> invalid wrote: >>>> "PeterD" <peter2(a)hipson.net> wrote in message >>>> news:4bsch597vk8d8hve55usli90i45ntqomn0(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:16:59 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." >>>>> <paul(a)hovnanian.com> wrote: >>>>>>What does the Koran say about off-topic posts? >>>>> Doesn't is say that you get turned into a virgin? >>>> >>>> Which raises the point as to how those 72 virgins in heaven feel about >>>> being allocated as shagging-fodder? >>> >>> Interestingly, the word "virgin" doesn't appear once in the entire >>> Koran, at least not in the English translation I found somewhere on the >>> 'Net. >> >> How about "maiden" or "spinster?" > > Negative. There might have females mentioned, but in no context that would > allow them to be interpreted as some kind of trophy. I wonder, then, where did that "72 virgins" legend come from? Thanks, Rich
From: nuny on 4 Dec 2009 23:27 On Dec 4, 2:25 pm, Rich Grise <richgr...(a)example.net> wrote: > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:56:08 +0000, Robert Latest wrote: > > Rich Grise wrote: > >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:45:09 +0000, Robert Latest wrote: > >>> invalid wrote: > >>>> "PeterD" <pet...(a)hipson.net> wrote in message > >>>>news:4bsch597vk8d8hve55usli90i45ntqomn0(a)4ax.com... > >>>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:16:59 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." > >>>>> <p...(a)hovnanian.com> wrote: > >>>>>>What does the Koran say about off-topic posts? > >>>>> Doesn't is say that you get turned into a virgin? > > >>>> Which raises the point as to how those 72 virgins in heaven feel about > >>>> being allocated as shagging-fodder? > > >>> Interestingly, the word "virgin" doesn't appear once in the entire > >>> Koran, at least not in the English translation I found somewhere on the > >>> 'Net. > > >> How about "maiden" or "spinster?" > > > Negative. There might have females mentioned, but in no context that would > > allow them to be interpreted as some kind of trophy. > > I wonder, then, where did that "72 virgins" legend come from? Since you asked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#Reward_in_Paradise In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Qur'an 55:72, it is stated that: "It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a." Houri are described as "...humans and jinn who enter paradise after being recreated anew in the hereafter", "restraining their glances (chaste)", "wide and beautiful/lovely eyes","like pearls", "virgins", "companions of equal age", "splendid..." "they wont fade away by time, and ...they accompany their performers", "non-menstruating/urinating/ defecating and childfree or being able to have a short pregnancy lasting an hour", "with bodies not affected by pregnancy or breast- feeding", "60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall", "7 cubits [3.2 meters] in width", "transparent to the marrow of their bones", "eternally young", "hairless except the eye brows and the head" Sounds scary as hell to me. OTOH: "Margaret Nydell states that mainstream Muslims regard this belief about 72 virgins in the same way that mainstream Christians regard the belief that after death they will be issued with wings and a harp, and walk on clouds." Mark L. Fergerson
From: Spehro Pefhany on 5 Dec 2009 01:09
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:27:02 -0800 (PST), the renowned "nuny(a)bid.nes" <alien8752(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Dec 4, 2:25�pm, Rich Grise <richgr...(a)example.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:56:08 +0000, Robert Latest wrote: >> > Rich Grise wrote: >> >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:45:09 +0000, Robert Latest wrote: >> >>> invalid wrote: >> >>>> "PeterD" <pet...(a)hipson.net> wrote in message >> >>>>news:4bsch597vk8d8hve55usli90i45ntqomn0(a)4ax.com... >> >>>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:16:59 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." >> >>>>> <p...(a)hovnanian.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>What does the Koran say about off-topic posts? >> >>>>> Doesn't is say that you get turned into a virgin? >> >> >>>> Which raises the point as to how those 72 virgins in heaven feel about >> >>>> being allocated as shagging-fodder? >> >> >>> Interestingly, the word "virgin" doesn't appear once in the entire >> >>> Koran, at least not in the English translation I found somewhere on the >> >>> 'Net. >> >> >> How about "maiden" or "spinster?" >> >> > Negative. There might have females mentioned, but in no context that would >> > allow them to be interpreted as some kind of trophy. >> >> I wonder, then, where did that "72 virgins" legend come from? > > Since you asked: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri#Reward_in_Paradise > >In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, >Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of >Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of >Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir >(Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Qur'an 55:72, it is stated that: > > "It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham >'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the >Prophet Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven >is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two >houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and >ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a." > > Houri are described as "...humans and jinn who enter paradise after >being recreated anew in the hereafter", "restraining their glances >(chaste)", "wide and beautiful/lovely eyes","like pearls", "virgins", >"companions of equal age", "splendid..." "they wont fade away by time, >and ...they accompany their performers", "non-menstruating/urinating/ >defecating and childfree or being able to have a short pregnancy >lasting an hour", "with bodies not affected by pregnancy or breast- >feeding", "60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall", "7 cubits [3.2 meters] in >width", "transparent to the marrow of their bones", "eternally young", >"hairless except the eye brows and the head" > > Sounds scary as hell to me. Sounds like the "Visible Woman" model kit I had as a kid. Pregnancy was even less than one hour-- a snap-in/snap-out affair, though as not to offend the sensibilities of the day, the pregnancy parts (belly, fetus etc, and including the squished versions of her internal organs) were segregated into a separate box inside the main box, so that squeamish parents could remove it prior to giving it to the youngsters. Generally, I prefered the Visible Dog and (especially) the Visible V8 with moving parts. ;-) >OTOH: > > "Margaret Nydell states that mainstream Muslims regard this belief >about 72 virgins in the same way that mainstream Christians regard the >belief that after death they will be issued with wings and a harp, and >walk on clouds." > > > Mark L. Fergerson Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff(a)interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |