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From: krw on 14 Mar 2010 16:37
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:27:39 -0700, Fred Abse <excretatauris(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:02:50 -0500, krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:30:29 GMT, N0Spam(a)daqarta.com (Bob Masta) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:24:45 -0500, Jamie
>>><jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_(a)charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>well maybe the E-Brake which should be a cable driven device via the
>>>>operator should have a kill switch in it..! It solves 2 problems.
>>>>Driving with the brake on and being able to kill it incase of runaway..
>>>
>>>Can't the user just shut off the ignition key? Or is that interlocked
>>>"as a safety feature" when the car is moving? Or when in Drive, which
>>>might be interlocked for some reason?
>>
>> Yes, it's interlocked. ...to the steering wheel - bad plan.
>>
>> <...>
>
>My Jeep has the key interlocked to the shifter. You can't remove it,
>except in Park.
>
>The steering lock only engages when the key is *physically* removed.
>
>Hence you can't put the steering lock on with the vehicle moving.

You certainly can (switch the car off and lock the steering column) with every
car I've owned in the past 20 years. As I said, bad plan!
From: Jon on 14 Mar 2010 18:28

"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_(a)charter.net> wrote in message
news:lF5nn.10454$ao7.5744(a)newsfe21.iad...
>
> That was fun then, you do that for a short time and turn
> the ignition back on! POW!
> :)
>

Ha! The resonator on my mom's caddy exploded on startup once.
Quite a surprise to say the least.




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From: krw on 15 Mar 2010 20:01
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:53:05 -0700, Fred Abse <excretatauris(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:37:38 -0500, krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:27:39 -0700, Fred Abse
>> <excretatauris(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:02:50 -0500, krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:30:29 GMT, N0Spam(a)daqarta.com (Bob Masta) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:24:45 -0500, Jamie
>>>>><jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_(a)charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>well maybe the E-Brake which should be a cable driven device via the
>>>>>>operator should have a kill switch in it..! It solves 2 problems.
>>>>>>Driving with the brake on and being able to kill it incase of
>>>>>>runaway..
>>>>>
>>>>>Can't the user just shut off the ignition key? Or is that interlocked
>>>>>"as a safety feature" when the car is moving? Or when in Drive, which
>>>>>might be interlocked for some reason?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's interlocked. ...to the steering wheel - bad plan.
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>
>>>My Jeep has the key interlocked to the shifter. You can't remove it,
>>>except in Park.
>>>
>>>The steering lock only engages when the key is *physically* removed.
>>>
>>>Hence you can't put the steering lock on with the vehicle moving.
>>
>> You certainly can (switch the car off and lock the steering column) with
>> every car I've owned in the past 20 years. As I said, bad plan!
>
>Bad plan indeed.
>
>An interesting thought has emerged. The Jeep has provision for flat
>("recreational") towing (say on an A-frame), with the transfer case in
>neutral. The manual says the transmission should be in
>Park when doing this. I don't know whether the key needs to be in, or
>whether the (electric) steering lock comes off automatically. I don't have
>an RV, so I never needed to try it. I shall have to find out.

Don't know about Jeep but a friend has a Saturn that he tows behind his land
yacht, "four down". IIRC he has to leave the key in the ignition to unlock
the column. There may be a position where he can remove it, don't remember.

>I hate being stuck behind some monster RV with an SUV in tow!

No worse than an 18-wheeler.
From: Bret Cahill on 17 Mar 2010 00:08
http://news.yahoo.com/video/business-15749628/runaway-prius-mystery-18628847;_ylt=Ak1TULg4Kmy9JYOEdk7ChRuz174F;_ylu=X3oDMTE3YWtqY2JkBHBvcwMzBHNlYwNtb3N0LXBvcHVsYXIEc2xrA3J1bmF3YXlwcml1cw--#video=18628847

I'm shocked! SHOCKED!

You could knock me over with a feather!


Bret Cahill




From: Bret Cahill on 18 Mar 2010 22:25
> http://news.yahoo.com/video/business-15749628/runaway-prius-mystery-1...

CHP is now claiming it was an honest mistake.

I don't really give a rat's behind if I get killed by a motorist
making an "honest mistake" or a vicious murderer trying to kill me.

I just don't want it to happen.

The price of these "honest mistakes" has been and should be stiff
fines.


Bret Cahill

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