Was spacetime present before Big Bang?
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From: Sir Frederick on 24 Sep 2009 14:50 On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:10:32 -0500, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtydeeds(a)dirtcheap.net> wrote: >"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote in message news:44aac4c0-d26d-4079-9b3c-e94e324794a6(a)b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com... >> On Sep 24, 10:34 am, Sir Frederick <mmcne...(a)fuzzysys.com> wrote: >>> Practice whatever story you wish. >> >> Given the Big Bang idea was invented in the 20th century, >> I would presume spacetime existed before then. >> Ken > >Maybe, but was the world round before Galileo? > Was there really a past for you, before the present? It might be helpful to distinguish two separate realities 1. The virtual reality supported by your personal brain that you experience as 'reality' by representing by such as qualia. 2. A mysterious 'real' reality 'out there' that seems to produce sensory stimulus, but remains mysterious.
From: Ahmed Ouahi, Architect on 24 Sep 2009 15:07 First of all, as already known an analogy as a categorizing anything does a definitely proves nothing, whether would be along a specific purposes, from a time to an other, as for instance, along a computer matter, something, you should already know along that matter... Howver, that one billion bytes would be a just one gigabyte as one thousand and something kilobytes would be one megabyte as one thousand and something bytes would be a just one kilobyte as around eight bits or one character which would be a just one byte also along that matter untill the nanometer maybe forever... Therefore, as along an electron is a definitely not itself the primordial along that matter but only its define as a definite charge, which it makes all trhe difference as it makes to get as to have an essential meaning, as a definitely the computer out of the mentioned above would not have any meaning neither... However, something, which alows you, an eventual questionning to your self, especially along, for instance, the matter as among anything the hydrogen which is the most usual along the universe followed by an helium matter which it got almost the same functions along their existence... Therefore, along the universe, as not to misse the most necessary matter which is an atom, that none has had ever as definitely understood its behaviours as its behavioral conditions neither... For the time being, which is a simply not so far from any behaviours along the human beings, whether, it would still and remains a just a proportional matter what is all about, and a definitely a just a time matter... Therefore, as an atom can survive a very, very small amount of a time, but it would let an other atom to replace it as to go on along the same behaviours... However, which whitch is which, none knows, then do turn along the number along a both sides, as none has had arrive to the exact amount of a time of an atom, as all those things out of a missing the chemetry side of the universe... Therefore, which is also an other and a different story, as the spacetime is a definitely a just a matter of an imagination as mathematical matter, as it has had ever been an easy matter for none to fix neither, and this is what is all about, a definitely as a matter a fact... -- Ahmed Ouahi, Architect Best Regards! "Sanny" <softtanks22(a)hotmail.com> kirjoitti viestiss�:e3fbbbdc-02e5-47ac-9ccd-31466264e4c2(a)b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > Our Universe was born after Big Bang [99% Agree] > > When Universe was created It is said it was even smaller than even an > electron. > > Am I Right here? > > What about spacetime. Was spacetime created after 10 ^ (-1000) seconds > the Universe was formed? Or it was present even before BigBang > happened? > > When the Universe was point small was it a Exact Regular Sphere? > > Were the Matter in Universe 100% Uniform when Big Bang started? > > If someone says Matter in Universe was not Uniform Then what forces > made an irregular Universe? > > Was Gravity present when Universe was 1/100000000000000000000th of a > second old? > > Say a star in another Universe at a Distance of Trillions of Lightyear > was present when our Universe was formed. Had our Universe had sent > Gravity force to that star in other Universe? > > Was the Mass of Universe when it was smaller than an electron same as > the mass of Whole Universe we currently have. > > Last Difficult Question. When all Universe was the size of Electron > Why didnt our Universe become a Black hole? Was the Gravitational Laws > not developed at that time? Incase the mass of Universe was larger > than the mass needed to create a black hole. What was the Force that > was so huge that it even Broke a Black hole. > > At the time Universe was smaller than an electron Was Gravity Absent? > If not What force was acting against Gravity? Even Nuclear Energy > cannot withstand the pressure of Black hole? > > Say I drop Nuclear Bombs in a blackhole will it Brust. No A Black hole > will even absorb a complete Star/ Galaxy. They how a Mass of Whole > Universe contained in small sized electron was able to break the > Gravity? What was that force that was higher than the force of > Gravity? > > What was the Mass of Universe before Big Bang "ZERO" In that case from > where "ZERO" mass changed to such a big mass. > > Was there something that created Big Bang. If there was something that > created Big Bang. Then Why that thing is not part of our Universe now? > > Bye > Sanny > > The Computer chats like Humans. > Believe it???: http://www.GetClub.com > Now you believe it. What do you say?
From: dlzc on 24 Sep 2009 15:14 Dear Sanny: On Sep 24, 9:50 am, Sanny <softtank...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Our Universe was born after Big Bang > [99% Agree] It still depends on the model someone "belives" in. > When Universe was created It is said it > was even smaller than even an electron. > > Am I Right here? I have heard "grapefruit", but without photons existing yet, no size has meaning. > What about spacetime. Was spacetime created > after 10 ^ (-1000) seconds the Universe was > formed? Or it was present even before BigBang > happened? There is no evidence that a "statistical relationship maintained between a finite collection of massive particles by photons" has any meaning prior to said collection being established. > When the Universe was point small was it a > Exact Regular Sphere? We can't know. > Were the Matter in Universe 100% Uniform > when Big Bang started? No matter. Mass undefined. All was energy (whatever that is) and momentum (whatever that is). > If someone says Matter in Universe was > not Uniform Then what forces made an > irregular Universe? We cannot know either way. > Was Gravity present when Universe was > 1/100000000000000000000th of a second old? Supposedly gravity was the first "force" to express. Not sure I accept that, and not sure it is important. > Say a star in another Universe at a > Distance of Trillions of Lightyear > was present when our Universe was formed. > Had our Universe had sent Gravity force > to that star in other Universe? If we are a black hole in that Universe, all matter in this Universe pulls on that star equally. > Was the Mass of Universe when it was > smaller than an electron same as the > mass of Whole Universe we currently have. No mass. Mass came some time after the Big Bang. > Last Difficult Question. Not "difficult", "pointless and unverifiable". > When all Universe was the size of > Electron Why didnt our Universe become > a Black hole? Had there been a pre-existing spacetime separate from the "local collection", then we would have been. > Was the Gravitational Laws not > developed at that time? Imagine a Universe where there is exactly as much mass "left" as "right". Gravitation would mean nothing until some sort of "variance" had congealed. > Incase the mass of Universe was larger > than the mass needed to create a black > hole. .... but no spacetime ... > What was the Force that was so huge > that it even Broke a Black hole. No spacetime. Equal distribution of matter. No discernable "gravitation". > At the time Universe was smaller than > an electron Was Gravity Absent? Already asked and answered. > If not What force was acting against > Gravity? Even Nuclear Energy cannot > withstand the pressure of Black hole? Really? How does gravitation, charge, and angluar momentum get out of a black hole? How does Hawking radiation get out of a black hole? What are the polar jets of matter and anti-matter found scooting out of huge black holes? I think your "hint" is not based on facts... David A. Smith
From: Hagar on 24 Sep 2009 15:40 "Sanny" <softtanks22(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e3fbbbdc-02e5-47ac-9ccd-31466264e4c2(a)b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > Our Universe was born after Big Bang [99% Agree] The last Big Bang occurred when ShnuPuss climbed atop of NoTroll2009 and fed him his tube steak. There was plenty of space and time ... space-time, as it were. So they took their sweet space-time, making it last all day ... taking turns, of course. It just took a long time to change the male/female werewolfie costumes every time they switched positions. At the end of the day, they still had sufficient strength, or was it stench, to pray to Obama, their new Messiah.
From: PD on 24 Sep 2009 16:31
On Sep 24, 11:50 am, Sanny <softtank...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Our Universe was born after Big Bang [99% Agree] > > When Universe was created It is said it was even smaller than even an > electron. > > Am I Right here? No. Of course, I don't know if the person you heard say it was wearing a hat made out of Coke cans. > > What about spacetime. Was spacetime created after 10 ^ (-1000) seconds > the Universe was formed? Or it was present even before BigBang > happened? Spacetime was created on September 14, 1733, in an accidental fire in the basement of a French bakery. > > When the Universe was point small was it a Exact Regular Sphere? OK, it was in the Irregulars bin, but it's so much cheaper that way, and you can't really see the stain. > > Were the Matter in Universe 100% Uniform when Big Bang started? No, uniforms were issued after the medical exams. > > If someone says Matter in Universe was not Uniform Then what forces > made an irregular Universe? French conjugations are more irregular than regular. > > Was Gravity present when Universe was 1/100000000000000000000th of a > second old? Gravity was feeling queasy and the OBGYN asked Gravity to wait out in the hall and put his head between his knees. > > Say a star in another Universe at a Distance of Trillions of Lightyear > was present when our Universe was formed. Had our Universe had sent > Gravity force to that star in other Universe? Another universe isn't trillions of lightyears from here. It's trillions of Fleebledings from here. Fleebledings are how you measure distance when there is no spacetime in between. > > Was the Mass of Universe when it was smaller than an electron same as > the mass of Whole Universe we currently have. Well, it was more svelte when it was younger, and it's put on a little weight, especially after kids, but nothing that a little exercise and dieting won't fix. > > Last Difficult Question. When all Universe was the size of Electron > Why didnt our Universe become a Black hole? Was the Gravitational Laws > not developed at that time? Incase the mass of Universe was larger > than the mass needed to create a black hole. What was the Force that > was so huge that it even Broke a Black hole. Black holes are in Aisle 9. Big bangs are here in Aisle 6. > > At the time Universe was smaller than an electron Was Gravity Absent? > If not What force was acting against Gravity? Even Nuclear Energy > cannot withstand the pressure of Black hole? There wasn't any force. There was a filibuster until the end of the congressional session and then everyone went home. That's what caused the expansion. > > Say I drop Nuclear Bombs in a blackhole will it Brust. No A Black hole > will even absorb a complete Star/ Galaxy. They how a Mass of Whole > Universe contained in small sized electron was able to break the > Gravity? What was that force that was higher than the force of > Gravity? Nuclear bombs will not burst a black hole, but it will give it a good case of indigestion. Tossing in a couple of bicarbonates will help. > > What was the Mass of Universe before Big Bang "ZERO" In that case from > where "ZERO" mass changed to such a big mass. Gee, I dunno, since you spelled ZERO in such big letters, it seems big enough now. > > Was there something that created Big Bang. If there was something that > created Big Bang. Then Why that thing is not part of our Universe now? It is. It's the universe's navel. And it's an innie. > > Bye > Sanny > > The Computer chats like Humans. > Believe it???:http://www.GetClub.com > Now you believe it. What do you say? |