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From: John Hasler on 10 Jun 2010 09:00
Alexander Batischev writes:
> Iceweasel (Debian clone of Firefox)...

Iceweasel is not merely a clone of Firefox. It _is_ Firefox. It's
called Iceweasel in Debian because Mozilla doesn't want Debian to use
the trademarked Firefox name.

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From: Jordan Metzmeier on 10 Jun 2010 09:10
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On 06/10/2010 09:01 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 01:46:11PM CEST, John Hasler <jhasler(a)debian.org> said:
>> Alexander Batischev writes:
>>> Iceweasel (Debian clone of Firefox)...
>>
>> Iceweasel is not merely a clone of Firefox. It _is_ Firefox. It's
>> called Iceweasel in Debian because Mozilla doesn't want Debian to use
>> the trademarked Firefox name.
>>
>
> I noticed some difference on iceowl...
> Sunbird does not need gnome...
>
> iceowl on the contrary...
>
> Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libjpeg62, libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.14.10), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpopt0 (>= 1.15), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.6.23.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), calendar-timezones (= 1.0~b1+dfsg-4)
>
> This makes me fear for next versions of iceweal and icedove...
>
>

Sunbird from upstream likely comes in statically-linked binaries. This
means the required libs would be included in the .tar.gz they distribute.

I am sure someone else can explain static linking much better than I
can, as I only have a basic understanding.


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From: Erwan David on 10 Jun 2010 09:10
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 01:46:11PM CEST, John Hasler <jhasler(a)debian.org> said:
> Alexander Batischev writes:
> > Iceweasel (Debian clone of Firefox)...
>
> Iceweasel is not merely a clone of Firefox. It _is_ Firefox. It's
> called Iceweasel in Debian because Mozilla doesn't want Debian to use
> the trademarked Firefox name.
>

I noticed some difference on iceowl...
Sunbird does not need gnome...

iceowl on the contrary...

Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libjpeg62, libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.14.10), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpopt0 (>= 1.15), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.6.23.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), calendar-timezones (= 1.0~b1+dfsg-4)

This makes me fear for next versions of iceweal and icedove...


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From: Erwan David on 10 Jun 2010 09:20
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 03:05:07PM CEST, Jordan Metzmeier <titan8990(a)gmail.com> said:
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> On 06/10/2010 09:01 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 01:46:11PM CEST, John Hasler <jhasler(a)debian.org> said:
> >> Alexander Batischev writes:
> >>> Iceweasel (Debian clone of Firefox)...
> >>
> >> Iceweasel is not merely a clone of Firefox. It _is_ Firefox. It's
> >> called Iceweasel in Debian because Mozilla doesn't want Debian to use
> >> the trademarked Firefox name.
> >>
> >
> > I noticed some difference on iceowl...
> > Sunbird does not need gnome...
> >
> > iceowl on the contrary...
> >
> > Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libjpeg62, libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.14.10), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpopt0 (>= 1.15), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.6.23.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), calendar-timezones (= 1.0~b1+dfsg-4)
> >
> > This makes me fear for next versions of iceweal and icedove...
> >
> >
>
> Sunbird from upstream likely comes in statically-linked binaries. This
> means the required libs would be included in the .tar.gz they distribute.
>
> I am sure someone else can explain static linking much better than I
> can, as I only have a basic understanding.
>

I rather of a lazy compilation on a gnome enabled machine thus
integrating gnome dependencies...

Note that upstream asks for gtk and fontconfig, so why only
semi-static ?

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From: Alexander Batischev on 10 Jun 2010 09:30
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 06:46:11AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Alexander Batischev writes:
> > Iceweasel (Debian clone of Firefox)...
>
> Iceweasel is not merely a clone of Firefox. It _is_ Firefox. It's
> called Iceweasel in Debian because Mozilla doesn't want Debian to use
> the trademarked Firefox name.

Well, yes, Iceweasel just have different icon and name. Maybe there are other
differences, too? I remember I saw some article in Debian Wiki (if I recall
correctly) about that - should go and read it...

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