From: Mike Schilling on
EJP wrote:
> On 16/02/2010 9:48 AM, Arne Vajh�j wrote:
>> I know, but the ++something is better than something++
>> because it is faster is rooted in C++ classes I believe.
>
> It is rooted in the PDP-11 and Vax architectures, which had
> pre-increment and post-decrement instructions, but not vice versa.

No, that's not even remotely true.


From: Lars Enderin on
Roedy Green wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:35:27 +0100, Lars Enderin
> <lars.enderin(a)telia.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
> who said :
>
>> No, the text is not thin, it's just faint, with low contrast, but
>> readable. It looks almost transparent, which is what you asked about
>> initially.
>
> Could you please email me a screen shot. Also run
> http://mindprod.com/applet/fontshower.html

Sorry, but you are asking too much from me. I am sorry I commented at
all. The fontshower applet alone is enough to turn me off. I says:
Sorry, you need Java 1.5+ to run this Applet.
I have Java 1.6!

> And send me the list of fonts you have installed.
>
> or if you are feeling brave, fiddle with mindprod.css and jdisplay.css
> till you figure out just what in them in causing the strange
> rendering.

Don't worry. Your page is readable.
From: Andreas Leitgeb on
Robert Klemme <shortcutter(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 02/15/2010 10:32 AM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
>> Lew <noone(a)lewscanon.com> wrote:
>>> The matter of the existence or not of a shorthand combining operator
>>> is a red herring.
>> Java programming must really stink to you, with all those red herrings.
That wasn't meant seriously, of course :-)

I'd still dare to bet, that when red herrings are mentioned in any
particular argument here, then in almost all(*) of the cases it's Lew
who brought them in. :-)

> Whenever I look, there is almost certainly a profound posting by him
> in c.l.j - although I would concede that some might have to adjust to
> his style of writing. :-)

Btw., he was right on that point, too, because, as op='s are defined,
they're just impossible to be atomical - because the old value of left
side must be obtained before the right side is even begun to be evaluated.
That just cannot be compatibly redefined.

*: "almost all": all, but a finite number...
From: Joshua Cranmer on
On 02/17/2010 08:36 AM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
> *: "almost all": all, but a finite number...

Warning: do not try pulling this definition on a math professor...

--
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth
From: Eric Sosman on
On 2/17/2010 1:59 AM, EJP wrote:
> On 16/02/2010 9:48 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> I know, but the ++something is better than something++
>> because it is faster is rooted in C++ classes I believe.
>
> It is rooted in the PDP-11 and Vax architectures, which had
> pre-increment and post-decrement instructions, but not vice versa.

"[...] People often guess that [++ and --] were created to use
the auto-increment and auto-decrement address modes provided by
the DEC PDP-11 on which C and Unix first became popular. This is
historically impossible, since there was no PDP-11 when B was
developed. [...]"

- Dennis M. Ritchie, "The Development of the C Language"
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/chist.html

--
Eric Sosman
esosman(a)ieee-dot-org.invalid
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