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From: Nico Coesel on 26 Mar 2010 13:42
"TheM" <DontNeedSpam(a)test.com> wrote:

>"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:5elnq5d2ncjvs91v1cu5dmt5tbntuhefg3(a)4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc(a)yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Peter" <nospam(a)nospam9876.com> wrote in message
>>>news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc(a)4ax.com...
>>>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks.
>
>Is this limited to EEPROM/Memory only or uCPU as well?
>
>Definitely worth considering getting out of AVR.
>Do NPX ARM come with on-chip FLASH?

Yes, all of them have 128 bit wide flash that allows zero waitstate
execution at the maximum CPU clock.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico(a)nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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From: TheM on 26 Mar 2010 14:28
"Nico Coesel" <nico(a)puntnl.niks> wrote in message news:4bacf169.1721173156(a)news.planet.nl...
> "TheM" <DontNeedSpam(a)test.com> wrote:
>
>>"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:5elnq5d2ncjvs91v1cu5dmt5tbntuhefg3(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc(a)yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Peter" <nospam(a)nospam9876.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc(a)4ax.com...
>>>>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks.
>>
>>Is this limited to EEPROM/Memory only or uCPU as well?
>>
>>Definitely worth considering getting out of AVR.
>>Do NPX ARM come with on-chip FLASH?
>
> Yes, all of them have 128 bit wide flash that allows zero waitstate
> execution at the maximum CPU clock.

Not bad, I ordered a couple books on ARM off Amazon, may get into it finally.
From what I see they are same price as AVR mega, low power and much faster.
And NXP is very generous with samples.

M


From: markp on 26 Mar 2010 15:30

"Peter" <nospam(a)nospam9876.com> wrote in message
news:cr6nq5dr0i0r6em6vr8smvjkc4ibsvgco4(a)4ax.com...
>
> Leon <leon355(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>On 25 Mar, 11:20, Peter <nos...(a)nospam9876.com> wrote:
>>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks.
>>>
>>> Yet, others are making them OK.
>>>
>>> Are Atmel trying to get out of the business?
>>> x----------x
>>
>>They got rid of their fabs, and are now having to join the queue at
>>TSMC or wherever they get their chips made. They are probably having
>>to pay a lot more for them, because of demand for the manufacturing
>>facilities. Microchip have their own fabs, and seem able to keep up
>>with demand.
>
> Not a good reason to design-in an Atmel processor then... I have one
> running in production volumes but need to update it, and another was
> going to go in to replace a Hitachi uC. We were going to use the
> ATmega 128L.
>

I'd use the ATmega1281 as the ATmega128 is a bit old hat now (plus the
ATmega1281 can run a little faster at 3.3V as it has a voltage vs. speed
rating which the ATmega128 doesn't). If you want something a little smaller
the ATtiny48 and ATtiny88 are nice chips. I'm quite a fan of the AVRs
personally...

Mark.


From: Nico Coesel on 26 Mar 2010 18:40
"TheM" <DontNeedSpam(a)test.com> wrote:

>"Nico Coesel" <nico(a)puntnl.niks> wrote in message news:4bacf169.1721173156(a)news.planet.nl...
>> "TheM" <DontNeedSpam(a)test.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message news:5elnq5d2ncjvs91v1cu5dmt5tbntuhefg3(a)4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:19:46 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc(a)yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Peter" <nospam(a)nospam9876.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:9lhmq5plg1gr3sduo9n52mdi5g6iiqucqc(a)4ax.com...
>>>>>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks.
>>>
>>>Is this limited to EEPROM/Memory only or uCPU as well?
>>>
>>>Definitely worth considering getting out of AVR.
>>>Do NPX ARM come with on-chip FLASH?
>>
>> Yes, all of them have 128 bit wide flash that allows zero waitstate
>> execution at the maximum CPU clock.
>
>Not bad, I ordered a couple books on ARM off Amazon, may get into it finally.
>From what I see they are same price as AVR mega, low power and much faster.
>And NXP is very generous with samples.

The books on ARM may be too generic. Most of the things you need to
know are in the user manual and the datasheet. NXP's Cortex based
LPC1000 series need no assembly at all to get running. Even interrupt
routines do not need special care.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico(a)nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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From: Ulf Samuelsson on 26 Mar 2010 19:39
Leon skrev:
> On 25 Mar, 11:20, Peter <nos...(a)nospam9876.com> wrote:
>> They have doubled their prices and the lead times are 18 weeks.
>>
>> Yet, others are making them OK.
>>
>> Are Atmel trying to get out of the business?
>> x----------x
>
> They got rid of their fabs, and are now having to join the queue at
> TSMC or wherever they get their chips made. They are probably having
> to pay a lot more for them, because of demand for the manufacturing
> facilities. Microchip have their own fabs, and seem able to keep up
> with demand.

While at least some memory chips are outsourced, the AVRs are still
manufactured inside Atmel.

I get leadtime guides from distributors and many semiconductor
companies have 20+ weeks leadtime right now.

Talked to one large customer who got 42 weeks lead time for mobile DDRs.

When lead times go up, some customers tend to order components
from several suppliers, so apparent demand is higher than real demand,
so anything in stock is swallowed up immediately.

If there is no stock, then it normally takes 16 weeks to
produce new things for any semiconductor manufacturer.

Quite often, the fab capacity is not the problem, but testing is.
If you can't buy new testers, then capacity cannot increase.
Companies doing test equipment cant deliver, because they
have long lead times on components. Hmmm...

Best Regards
Ulf Samuelsson
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