From: socratus on 5 Dec 2009 00:34 The Information ( some basis of Consciousness) can be transfer to you in our terrestrial world only by Electromagnetic waves. Lorentz proved: there arent Electromagnetic waves without Electron. Therefore I say, only Electron can be the Quantum of Information/ Consciousness. We dont have any other theory of Informations transfers. ========== .
From: socratus on 30 Dec 2009 01:53 What is the material basis of Quantum Consciousness ? Will Physics explain Consciousness? ===. Our brain works on dualistic basis: usually consciousness (logically) and rarely unconsciousness ( at first it seems illogically but at last it shows as very wise act) In his last autobiographic article, Einstein wrote: " . . . the discovery is not the matter of logical thought, even if the final product is connected with the logical form". In book The Holographic Universe Michael Talbot on page 160 explained this situation in such way: Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness that creates the appearance of the brain # In our terrestrial world the Information ( some basis of Consciousness) can be transfer to you only by Electromagnetic waves. Lorentz proved: there arent Electromagnetic waves without Electron. Therefore I say, only Electron can be the Quantum of Information/ Consciousness. We dont have any other theory of Informations transfers. # We know the Electron is very important particle in our live. It acts in Maxwells electrodynamics. It acts in the atom. But how Electron acts in cell and in Outer space we dont know. We need time to understand this fact. And when we understand the Vacuum and Electron we will know the Ultimate Nature of Reality, it means we will know the material basis of Quantum Consciousness too. ==========. Planck and Einstein found the energy of electron: E=h*f. Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c, it means: e= +ah*c and e= -ah*c. Dirac found two more formulas of electrons energy: +E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2. Question. Why does electron heed five ( 5 ) formulas? ====. # Now nobody knows what the Vacuum and Electron are. 1 " The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion, is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you cant correctly describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description of something more complex? " / Paul Dirac / 2 You know, it would be sufficient to really understand the electron. / Albert Einstein / 3 Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything. / Somebody / =====================. More details. "... indeed an understanding of psi phenomena and of consciousness must provide the basis of an improved understanding of quantum mechanics." /Evan Walker / In my opinion it means that to answer to the question where the consciousness come from? we must understand not only the brain but electron too. Once again. Human brain works on two levels: consciousness and subconsciousness. The neurons of brain create these two levels. So, that it means consciousness and subconsciousness from physical point of view ( interaction between billions and billions neurons ). It can only mean that the state of neurons in these two situations is different. How can we understand these different states of neurons? How does the brain generate consciousness? We can understand this situation only on the quantum level, only using Quantum theory. But there isnt QT without Quantum of Light and Electron. So, what is interaction between Quantum of Light, Electron and brain ? Therefore I say: we must understand not only the brain but electron too. =================. According to Pauli Exclusion Principle only one single electron can be in the atom. If the atom contains more than one electron (for example - two), this atom represents " Siamese twins". Save us, the Great God, of having such atoms, such cells. And therefore the human brain has only one Electron. Each of us has an Electron, but we do not know it. As the Bhagavad Gita says: Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be. / Chapter 9. Text 11./ ================== . Best wishes Israel Sadovnik Socratus ================== .
From: T.H. Ray on 29 Dec 2009 21:47 Socratus wrote > What is the material basis of Quantum Consciousness ? > > Will Physics explain Consciousness? > ===. > Our brain works on dualistic basis: > usually consciousness (logically) and rarely > y unconsciousness > ( at first it seems illogically but at last it > t shows as very wise > act) > In his last autobiographic article, Einstein wrote: > " . . . the discovery is not the matter of logical > l thought, > even if the final product is connected with the > logical form". > In book ' The Holographic Universe' Michael Talbot > on page 160 explained this situation in such way: > ' Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may > not be > the brain that produce consciousness, but rather > r consciousness > that creates the appearance of the brain ' > # > In our terrestrial world the Information ( some basis > of > Consciousness) > can be transfer to you only by Electromagnetic > c waves. > Lorentz proved: there aren't Electromagnetic waves > without Electron. > Therefore I say, > only Electron can be the Quantum of Information/ > Consciousness. > We don't have any other theory of Information's > transfers. > # > We know the Electron is very important particle in > our live. > It acts in Maxwell's electrodynamics. > It acts in the atom. > But how Electron acts in cell and in Outer space we > don't know. > We need time to understand this fact. > And when we understand the Vacuum and Electron > we will know the Ultimate Nature of Reality, it means > we > will know the material basis of Quantum > m Consciousness too. > ==========. > Planck and Einstein found the energy of electron: > E=h*f. > Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c, > it means: e= +ah*c and e= -ah*c. > Dirac found two more formulas of electron's energy: > +E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2. > Question. > Why does electron heed five ( 5 ) formulas? > ====. > # > Now nobody knows what the Vacuum and Electron are. > 1 > " The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in > my opinion, > is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if > f you can't > correctly > describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a > correct > description > of something more complex? " > / Paul Dirac / > 2 > You know, it would be sufficient to really > y understand the electron. > / Albert Einstein / > 3 > Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you > everything. > / Somebody / > =====================. > More details. > > "... indeed an understanding of psi phenomena and of > consciousness must provide the basis of an improved > understanding of quantum mechanics." > /Evan Walker / > In my opinion it means that to answer to the question > ' where the consciousness come from?' > we must understand not only the brain but electron > n too. > Once again. > Human brain works on two levels: > consciousness and subconsciousness. The neurons of > brain > create these two levels. So, that it means > consciousness and > subconsciousness from physical point of view ( > ( interaction > between billions and billions neurons ). It can only > mean > that the state of neurons in these two situations is > different. > How can we understand these different states of > neurons? > How does the brain generate consciousness? > We can understand this situation only on the quantum > level, > only using Quantum theory. But there isn't QT without > Quantum of Light and Electron. So, what is > interaction between > Quantum of Light, Electron and brain ? > Therefore I say: we must understand not only the > brain but electron > too. > =================. > According to Pauli Exclusion Principle > only one single electron can be in the atom. > If the atom contains more than one electron > (for example - two), this atom represents " Siamese > twins". > Save us, the Great God, of having such atoms, such > cells. > And therefore the human brain has only one Electron. > Each of us has an Electron, but we do not know it. > As the 'Bhagavad Gita' says: > Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. > They do not know My transcendental nature and > My supreme dominion over all that be. > / Chapter 9. Text 11./ Actually, the Pauli exclusion principle says that no two identical electrons (or other fermions) can occupy the same quantum state. I think you have this principle confused with speculation by Wheeler and Feynman that the rules and phenomenology of physics would not change if there existed only one electron in the universe. What makes this idea plausible is that, by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, either the position or momentum of an electron is known to only arbitrary accuracy; if one introduces time into quantum mechanics, one finds that the localized measurement coexists with superposed nonlocal states of the identical electron. (This does not violate relativity, which only prohibits the exchange of information between particles.) How you relate these principles to "consciousness" is not clear, because you have provided no definition for consciousness. Tom > ================== . > Best wishes > Israel Sadovnik Socratus > ================== .
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