What is truth?
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From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 7 May 2010 11:15 On 07/05/2010 16:10, rods wrote: > On 7 maio, 12:04, b...(a)panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote: >> Set your wristwatch to a random time. Ask the person >> next to you to tell you what time your watch displays. >> If the time that person says matches the time you >> read it as saying, you've experienced objective reality >> to the maximum extent possible. >> >> --bks > > Giving this kind of "objective reality" how do you see the uncertainty > principle. > I seems that there is a clear limit on this "maximum extent possible", > and what is above (or bellow) this limit? Isn't this reality? > Rodrigo http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627596.500-quantum-wonders-spooky-action-at-a-distance.html "He calculated a mathematical inequality that encapsulated the maximum correlation between the states of remote particles in experiments in which three "reasonable" conditions hold: that experimenters have free will in setting things up as they want; that the particle properties being measured are real and pre-existing, not just popping up at the time of measurement; and that no influence travels faster than the speed of light, the cosmic speed limit." If you opt for the latter being false then you also get effects preceding causes. -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
From: Clown John Burke on 7 May 2010 11:27 >What is truth? Here you go... _ /'_/) ,/_ / / / /'_'/' '/'__'7, /'/ / / /" /_\ ('( ' /' ') \ / '\' _.7' \ ( \ \
From: David Bostwick on 7 May 2010 12:31 In article <hs1a54$o6v$1(a)reader1.panix.com>, bks(a)panix.com wrote: > >Set your wristwatch to a random time. Ask the person >next to you to tell you what time your watch displays. >If the time that person says matches the time you >read it as saying, you've experienced objective reality >to the maximum extent possible. > > --bks > Obviously, it's brillig.
From: Peter Olcott on 7 May 2010 13:50 "Frederick Williams" <frederick.williams2(a)tesco.net> wrote in message news:4BE42762.4E39F019(a)tesco.net... > Peter Olcott wrote: >> >> "Frederick Williams" <frederick.williams2(a)tesco.net> >> wrote >> in message news:4BE3072C.E5964BCF(a)tesco.net... >> > Peter Olcott wrote: >> >> >> >> "rods" <rodpinto(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:fb58bae7-2920-4b25-9887-0e4a5340b9bb(a)u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> > >> >> > there is no such thing as a empirical truth. >> >> > >> >> > Rodrigo >> >> >> >> You dip your hand in water, it feels wet, later on you >> >> remember feeling that your hand was wet, thus >> >> providing a >> >> single counter-example refuting your claim that >> >> empirical >> >> truth does not exist. >> > >> > The problem is: how does one classify truths as being >> > empirical or >> > logical? It is a matter of arbitrary convention. >> > >> > -- >> > I can't go on, I'll go on. >> >> Empirical truth is the direct first-hand memory of >> sensory >> experience, close your eyes and picture a red rose. >> >> Conceptual truth (of which logic is a part) must be >> represented in the mind using language. You can't close >> your >> eyes and picture the concept of square root. > > Claiming that truth (of any kind) is to be equated with > what one can > picture in one's mind's eye is clearly wrong. > > -- > I can't go on, I'll go on. No its not. here is an hypothetical example: "I remember seeing him shoot her" The words and concepts map to the memory of the physical sensation of eyesight which in turn maps to the original direct experience of the physical sensation of eyesight. If all of these mappings are correct then the above statement "I remember seeing him shoot her" is a true statement. Here is another much simpler example: The color of Bill's house is blue. Same sequence the words map to the memory of the original physical sensation of eyesight which in turn maps to the actual original direct experience of eyesight. You can close your own eyes and picture the color of your own house, and this picture truly represents the original physical sensation.
From: Peter Olcott on 7 May 2010 13:52
"Clown John Burke" <clown_john_burke(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8fef768e-ec20-47e0-953b-9241a3fedff4(a)d19g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... > > > >>What is truth? > > Here you go... > > _ > /'_/) > ,/_ / > / / > /'_'/' '/'__'7, > /'/ / / /" /_\ > ('( ' /' ') > \ / > '\' _.7' > \ ( > \ \ That image has an amazingly accurate representational quality considering it is entirely constructed from ASCII text. |