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From: Dan Listermann on 12 Apr 2005 20:04 "Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)" <sob(a)sob.com> wrote in message news:425bd667.5719384(a)news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:32:11 -0400, "Dan Listermann" > <dan(a)listermann.com> wrote: > >>Who made the maker of the "real thing?" > > Who said the maker of the real thing needs a maker? > > The Supreme Being does not need a cause for Existence. The Essence of > the Supreme Being is Existence. > > Either "something" made the Universe or "nothing" made the Universe. > > If you claim that "nothing" made the Universe, then you are going to > have to prove that you exist to the satisfaction of others. Oh dear, special pleading. Tut, tut, tut. Look if you are going to do the "Watchmaker" thing, be prepared for the inevitable circular argument it entails.
From: Dan Listermann on 12 Apr 2005 20:06 "Sweet Ol' Bob (SOB)" <sob(a)sob.com> wrote in message news:425bd753.5954732(a)news-server.houston.rr.com... > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:35:35 -0400, "Dan Listermann" > <dan(a)listermann.com> wrote: > >>> The fact that you do suffer from ignorance shows that your wish came >>> true. > >>I am man enough to recognize my ignorance. > > Only to the extent that it conveniences you. It seems to work for you. . . > >>I don't pretend to believe >>fantasies to compensate for my lack of knowledge. > > Then you do not believe that "nothing" caused the Universe to exist. Wow! double negative. Well make your circular case for the "Uncaused Cause." > > > -- > > Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation > http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable > one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore > all progress depends on the unreasonable man." > -- George Bernard Shaw
From: Hector Plasmic on 13 Apr 2005 09:54 > Then you do not believe that "nothing" caused the > Universe to exist. How long are you going to flail at this particular strawman? At what time do you propose that the universe didn't exist, and thus had to be created at all?
From: Hector Plasmic on 15 Apr 2005 09:18 >>>> You haven't presented any concepts >>> Posted to: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,talk.atheism,alt.religion >>> Subject: Supreme Being of Existential Metaphysics >>> Date: Friday April 8, 2005, 5:00 pm CT >> 1. Note the date of your post is *after* the date of the post where >> I point out you haven't presented any concepts. > I also posted it earlier than that date. So you claim, but I wouldn't know, since it wasn't in the newsgroup in which you and I have been conversing (argument by obfuscation, Silly Bobby -- tsk, tsk). >> 2. The post to which you point is one unsupported assertion: That >> the universe requires some "source of existence." Until you can >> back that assertion up, there's really no need to consider the rest of >> your irrelevant, long-winded post which depends upon your initial >> unsupported assertion. Hmm -- still no evidential backup provided for your primary unsupported assertion, despite ample opportunity. >> 3. You still haven't presented any concepts or arguments. >> Perhaps you'd like to present an argument to support your >> assertion that the universe requires some "source of >> existence?" Hmm -- still no argument (reasoned backup) presented to support your primary unsupported assertion, despite ample opportunity. Your smoke's dispersed and your mirrors are broken, Silly Bobby. You and your claims are left naked, and neither are pretty. Dismissed. Hec http://hectorplasmic.com
From: SOB) on 15 Apr 2005 10:59
On 15 Apr 2005 06:18:18 -0700, "Hector Plasmic" <hec(a)hectorplasmic.com> wrote: >So you claim, but I wouldn't know, since it wasn't in the newsgroup in >which you and I have been conversing (argument by obfuscation, Silly >Bobby -- tsk, tsk). You're too stupid to know how to use Google to search. -- Million Mom March For Gun Confiscation http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/mmm.html "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw |