From: John Jones on
Immortalist wrote:

>
> [1] - A scientist, in the broadest sense, is any person who engages in
> a systematic activity to acquire knowledge

That begs the question. It begs the question because the term
"systematic" implies what is correct. And what is correct is what is at
issue. Hence it begs the question of what a scientist is.
From: John Jones on
John Locke wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 23:33:57 +0100, John Jones
> <jonescardiff(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> There are only two kinds of scientist.
>>
> Only one kind. Employing reason and logic, adhering to scientific
> procedures and not entertaining even the slightest notion of
> supernatural control and design.

To say that a scientist uses reason and logic is to beg the question of
what a scientist is. It begs the question because the terms "reason" and
"logic" imply correct procedure. But what makes procedure correct is in
question.


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> ""All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian,
> or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to
> terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
> -- Thomas Paine
From: Marc Alcobé García on
And is totally out of question what begging the question is? And what
about anything being questionable? How can you be sure that it
certainly is? Ain't there any implicit correct procedure?
From: THE BORG on

"John Jones" <jonescardiff(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:hopvi8$fhr$4(a)news.eternal-september.org...

> To say that a scientist uses reason and logic is to beg
> the question of what a scientist is. It begs the question
> because the terms "reason" and "logic" imply correct
> procedure. But what makes procedure correct is in
> question.
>

If you don't ask the right questions, you ain't never gonna
get the right answers.

From: Daniel T. on
John Jones <jonescardiff(a)btinternet.com> wrote:

> There are only two kinds of scientist.
>
> One kind is the monkey-scientist. The monkey-scientist is noisy and
> leaps from stone to branch posturing, grinning and gibbering to
> onlookers, who are awestruck by this real-time display of science in action.
>
> The other kind of scientist is the bone-rattler. The bone-rattler is
> silent and shakes a rattle at dissent or inquiry. Onlookers are
> impressed by this display as it reminds them of the hidden strengths of
> science.

There are lots of kinds of scientists, but to the question "What makes a
good scientist?" my answer is "objectivity."