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From: JeffM on 31 Oct 2009 13:42 >TonyS wrote: >>Is there anything that can be done about it? >> Jeff Liebermann wrote: >4. Tell Google that they've switched from "Do no evil" >to being the source of much evil. >They need to do some enforcement, but that's difficult >since usenet news does not generate any advertising revenue. Actually, Google Groups includes in their pagefeeds an iframe called http://groups.google.com/groups/adfetch?... (unless you block that, as I do). >5. Do your own filtering. I use nfilter: > ....and Platt has already mentioned Leafnode. In the parallel thread, news:2rige59g517cas210ok4ta7jjtih576kom(a)4ax.com Webb mentioned the concept but didn't mention the software he uses (Hamster ). This has all been discussed numerous times: http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Leafnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=50 Google's listing of this genre omits nFilter/NewsProxy. 8-( http://google.com/search?q=cache:1rBSA7HUYnwJ:www.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Servers/Usenet+Leafnode+open.source+Linux+Windows+Wine+newshamster+Unix+Hamster+Freely.available+Solaris+Cool+GNU+us+Win9x-*-*
From: Jeff Liebermann on 31 Oct 2009 14:13 On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:42:26 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jeffm_(a)email.com> wrote: >>5. Do your own filtering. I use nfilter: >> >...and Platt has already mentioned Leafnode. They're not quite the same. NewsProxy/nfilter are filters that operate in the news reader. Leafnode is a full usenet news server, where you read and archive your news locally. It does have a built in filter suitable for filtering out spam. Leafnode is great if you happen to have a dedicated Unix server handy that's running 24x7x365. Full disclosure: I've been involved in usenet news since Bnews running on Xenix 286 in the early 1980's when there were only 16 newsgroups and everyone was incredibly polite. I've also helped admin, moderate, and monitor usenet news servers and groups, a nightmare I never wish to repeat. History of Usenet (according to Giganews): <http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/> <http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/sitemap.html> -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
From: JeffM on 31 Oct 2009 17:23 Jeff Liebermann wrote: >Full disclosure: I've been involved in usenet news since Bnews >running on Xenix 286 in the early 1980's when there were >only 16 newsgroups and everyone was incredibly polite. >I've also helped admin, moderate, and monitor >usenet news servers and groups, >a nightmare I never wish to repeat. > I figured something like that. I was just tacking on some more ideas for the OP. ....and most folks don't pay much mind to the nuances of Google Groups --not even those who use it for daily Usenet access. 8-( >History of Usenet (according to Giganews): >http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/ > That's a useful once-over-lightly page --certainly better than Wikipedia's page on Usenet which gets deep really fast.
From: Bob Larter on 1 Nov 2009 05:28 TonyS wrote: > JeffM wrote: >> Phil Hobbs wrote: >> >> You really should check the header before posting such advice. >> It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software >> but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively. >> >> ...and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield: >> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Leafnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=100 >> > > Thanks for the links. I use Thunderbird and will look into this. > The strange thing is that never before I saw the need for any spam filter. > > I do filter out certain unpleasant posters, which is only partly useful > as I still see the posts that reply to the OP. > > I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across > spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed. No, not really. It's just that spammers have figured out how to automate account-creation at Google, so there's more of them these days. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
From: Bob Larter on 1 Nov 2009 05:31
N_Cook wrote: > David Nebenzahl <nobody(a)but.us.chickens> wrote in message > news:4ae64244$0$11315$822641b3(a)news.adtechcomputers.com... >> On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus: >> >>> I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across >>> spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed. >> Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've >> really fucked things up around here. >> >> >> -- >> Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism > > It was fine when it was > http://www.deja.com/usenet You mean DejaNews. > bought by guess who? Ayup. And many of us predicted that this would be what would happen. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^--------------------------------------------------------------- |