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From: Wilba on 14 Nov 2009 20:14 Bill Graham wrote: > Savageduck wrote: >> Savageduck said: >>> Wilba said: >>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>> >>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because when >>>>>> a >>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to >>>>>> protect >>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of the >>>>>> road, >>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. Apparently >>>>>> the >>>>>> effect is statistically significant. >>>>> >>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where >>>>> the >>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun >>>>> on >>>>> the left. >>>> >>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- ) >>> >>> Note the driver on the left. >>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png >> >> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left. >> Now I don't know my left from my right! > > Are you sure the picture wasn't reversed? I don't see the, "Wells Fargo" > logo written anywhere, so it could have been......Back in the "film" days, > that happened a lot.......I wonder, is it possible to get a digital > picture reversed? "The express messenger [armed guard] for stagecoaches typically rode in a seat on top of the coach, next to the driver (this was usually on the driver's left, since stage drivers typically sat on the right)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_messenger But if they were mostly using double-barrelled shotguns, there's no to-the-right ejection.
From: Bill Graham on 14 Nov 2009 20:00 "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:n0auf5ll3r9305svk0chie78nofghkff6e(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:03:59 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton" > <nospamclayton(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >>US units are a shambolic mess, inconsistent with each other and almost >>completely irrational for dealing with the real world. >> > And yet we manage. > > The world that each of us lives in is the "real world". We, who live > in the US, have no problem dealing with our system. > All the machine shop owners I have known (and I have known many) prided themselves on being able to work with either the English or metric systems.
From: Bill Graham on 14 Nov 2009 20:01 "George Kerby" <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:C724AB44.3856A%ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com... > > > > On 11/14/09 9:03 AM, in article > 8LudnUMIR_9IW2PXnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)giganews.com, "Neil Harrington" > <secret(a)illumnati.net> wrote: > >> >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2009111401130782327-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >> >> >>> >>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed where the >>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, shotgun on >>> the left. >> >> Apparently that was the standard arrangement for all horse and buggy >> drivers >> too. (Going by the movies, anyway.) >> >> And it's still the standard position for whoever's steering a power boat. Did the Indians frequently attack power boats?
From: Bill Graham on 14 Nov 2009 19:54 "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2009111410440716807-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > On 2009-11-14 10:03:45 -0800, "Neil Harrington" <secret(a)illumnati.net> > said: > >> >> "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >> news:2009111407313133169-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >>> On 2009-11-14 06:58:27 -0800, George Kerby <ghost_topper(a)hotmail.com> >>> said: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/14/09 4:55 AM, in article >>>> 2009111402550242612-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck" >>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:53:09 -0800, Savageduck >>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> >>>>> said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2009-11-14 02:30:45 -0800, "Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> >>>>>> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to >>>>>>>>> protect >>>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> road, >>>>>>>>> 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. >>>>>>>>> Apparently >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> effect is statistically significant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed >>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, >>>>>>>> shotgun >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the left. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- ) >>>>>> >>>>>> Note the driver on the left. >>>>>> >>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.pn>> >>>> g >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left. >>>>> Now I don't know my left from my right! >>>> The negative was flopped...? >>> >>> Aah! The Billy The Kid, left hand gun paradox. >> >> Yep. To this day, many (probably most) people still believe that Henry >> "Billy the Kid" McCarty was left-handed. One of the movies about him, >> "The >> Left Handed Gun," has surely contributed to that falsehood. > > Well here is a photo of a stagecoach, driven from the right, and with the > type on the coach correct and not mirror imaged. > http://www.old-picture.com/old-west/pictures/Stagecoach-Western.jpg > Yes, but his wife wasn't carrying a shotgun......
From: Bill Graham on 14 Nov 2009 20:12
"Wilba" <usenet(a)CUTTHISimago.com.au> wrote in message news:0088d7a5$0$26867$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > Bill Graham wrote: >> Savageduck wrote: >>> Wilba said: >>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>> Savageduck said: >>>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>>> Savageduck wrote: >>>>>>>> Wilba said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Years ago I read that left-hand drive is safer overall, because >>>>>>>>> when a >>>>>>>>> person is startled they tend to raise their non-dominant hand to >>>>>>>>> protect >>>>>>>>> their head. If at the time they are steering a car on the left of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> road, 9 out of 10 will therefore sverve into oncoming traffic. >>>>>>>>> Apparently the effect is statistically significant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems we left our history far behind. Have you ever noticed >>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> good old Wells Fargo stage coach driver sat, ...on the right, >>>>>>>> shotgun >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the left. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't see many of them 'round these here parts. :- ) >>>>>> >>>>>> Note the driver on the left. >>>>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Concord_stagecoach_1869.png >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, that was the right, the shot gun was on the left. >>>>> Now I don't know my left from my right! >>>> >>>> I worked that out. :- ) >>>> >>>> I wonder why they did it that way, since the driver is on the ejector >>>> side...? Maybe the convention pre-dates the widespread use of repeating >>>> rifles. >>> >>> I think it was a case of right handed shotgun shooters out numbering >>> left handed shooters. That way they wouldn't have to replace a driver >>> every time a left handed guard blew the driver away. Maybe a >>> qualification for shotgun guards was to be right handed. >>> >>> Maybe there was a rule of the road that stagecoach robbers had a "rob >>> from left side" only sense of etiquette. ;-) >> >> Maybe it had something to do with which side the shells were ejected from >> when the rifle action was worked....It would be very annoying to the >> driver if the hot shell casings were ejected into his face while he was >> trying to get away from the bad guys..... > > But in that photo the driver is on the ejector side. > I don't know how you can tell....different rifles eject the shells to different sides.....As I remember, the M1 (used by US soldiers in WW-II, ejected the shells to the right, but I have seen other guns that ejected them to the left side.... |