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From: Stefan Kuhr on 7 May 2010 03:43 Hello everyone, On 5/7/2010 4:56 AM, Hector Santos wrote: > Pavel A. wrote: > <snip> > As "Forums Newsgroups," you can download the MS NNTP Bridge > > http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums > > that will allow you to continue to use your favorite desktop news reader > to access the Microsoft Forums Newsgroups. > > It actually works pretty well. Not all the old newsgroup "names" are > available in the MS forums. There is the kernel one: > Down anyone have more insight as to how the nntp bridge works with regards to authenticating the user? I wonder how it deals with my live ID user name and password and whether it is safe to use it with the same live ID credentials that I use to access my technet plus subscription or msdn subscriber downloads, or if this might reveal my credentials to wiretappers. All information it exposes in its UI is that it obviously accesses http://social.microsoft.com/ForumsServicePreview/ForumsService.svc. Note that this is an http URL, not https. -- Stefan
From: Jochen Kalmbach [MVP] on 7 May 2010 04:44 Hi Stefan! > Down anyone have more insight as to how the nntp bridge works with > regards to authenticating the user? It uses the offical documented live ID SKD: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb404787.aspx http://dev.live.com/liveid/ Here is a code sample: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb676891.aspx IMHO it is very secure... and not -- Greetings Jochen My blog about Win32 and .NET http://blog.kalmbachnet.de/
From: Don Burn on 7 May 2010 07:53 Jochen, In the past the NNTP bridge was pretty flaky and caused problems for a lot of the less well known newsreaders, do you know if this has improved? Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD) Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting Website: http://www.windrvr.com Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr > -----Original Message----- > From: Jochen Kalmbach [MVP] [mailto:nospam-news(a)kalmbach-software.de] > Posted At: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:44 AM > Posted To: microsoft.public.development.device.drivers > Conversation: Where do you want to go tomorrow? > Subject: Re: Where do you want to go tomorrow? > > Hi Stefan! > > > Down anyone have more insight as to how the nntp bridge works with > > regards to authenticating the user? > > It uses the offical documented live ID SKD: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb404787.aspx > http://dev.live.com/liveid/ > > Here is a code sample: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb676891.aspx > > IMHO it is very secure... and not > > > -- > Greetings > Jochen > > My blog about Win32 and .NET > http://blog.kalmbachnet.de/ > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5094 (20100507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com >
From: Hector Santos on 7 May 2010 09:34 Yes, I did noticed that, and AFAICT, the REST requests are all HTTP. Note: the correct url is: http://services.social.microsoft.com/forumsServicePreview/ForumsService.svc This is a primitive 3rd party program. The author seems to be new at communications requirements. It uses the Live ID Framework Client SDK for this. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb404791.aspx And it comes with a C# example illustrating the authentication. For me, since my live id account is a junk account anyway, I don't worry about it - although they are beginning to force me to use it more now. -- HLS Stefan Kuhr wrote: > Hello everyone, > > On 5/7/2010 4:56 AM, Hector Santos wrote: >> Pavel A. wrote: >> <snip> >> As "Forums Newsgroups," you can download the MS NNTP Bridge >> >> http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums >> >> that will allow you to continue to use your favorite desktop news reader >> to access the Microsoft Forums Newsgroups. >> >> It actually works pretty well. Not all the old newsgroup "names" are >> available in the MS forums. There is the kernel one: >> > > Down anyone have more insight as to how the nntp bridge works with > regards to authenticating the user? I wonder how it deals with my live > ID user name and password and whether it is safe to use it with the same > live ID credentials that I use to access my technet plus subscription or > msdn subscriber downloads, or if this might reveal my credentials to > wiretappers. All information it exposes in its UI is that it obviously > accesses > http://social.microsoft.com/ForumsServicePreview/ForumsService.svc. Note > that this is an http URL, not https. >
From: Hector Santos on 7 May 2010 09:38
Ok, "Works as an beta" :) Yes, I noticed that myself with TBIRD. -- HLS Lem wrote: > Hector Santos wrote: >> Pavel A. wrote: >> >>> Dear users of msnews.microsoft.com, >>> >>> There are rumors that Microsoft plans to shut down this nntp server. >>> >>> See this for example: >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.html >>> >>> Any thoughts on where we can migrate from here - besides of the >>> web-based MSDN forums?. >>> To Google groups, maybe? >>> >>> Regards, >>> -- pa >> >> >> Technically what Microsoft is stopping is the Microsoft.* newsgroups >> in lieu of new forums style messages which can also be exposed as >> "locally published" newsgroups. >> >> As "Forums Newsgroups," you can download the MS NNTP Bridge >> >> http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums >> >> that will allow you to continue to use your favorite desktop news >> reader to access the Microsoft Forums Newsgroups. >> >> It actually works pretty well. Not all the old newsgroup "names" are >> available in the MS forums. There is the kernel one: >> >> Microsoft.en-US.kernel >> >> I'm sure in time that other providers will use the MS NNTP Bridge with >> NNTP gating software to mirror the MS Forums on their own NNTP servers >> as newsgroups. >> >> Its leaves us to wonder what will happen to the old mirrors, i.e. >> Google Groups. That probably depends if Microsoft will allow or not >> their name sake and branding to continue to be used as newsgroup names >> run by 3rd party servers. Maybe they don't care, maybe they don't >> realize they will care once its highly abused more than it is now >> where there was filtering going on, but no longer. :) > > I wouldn't go so far as to say that the nntp bridge "works pretty well." > At least on T'Bird 2.x, the headers and bodies occasionally become > unsynced and the unread message indicator is unreliable. |