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From: Stefan Kuhr on 7 May 2010 03:43 Hello everyone, On 5/7/2010 4:56 AM, Hector Santos wrote: > Pavel A. wrote: > <snip> > As "Forums Newsgroups," you can download the MS NNTP Bridge > > http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums > > that will allow you to continue to use your favorite desktop news reader > to access the Microsoft Forums Newsgroups. > > It actually works pretty well. Not all the old newsgroup "names" are > available in the MS forums. There is the kernel one: > Down anyone have more insight as to how the nntp bridge works with regards to authenticating the user? I wonder how it deals with my live ID user name and password and whether it is safe to use it with the same live ID credentials that I use to access my technet plus subscription or msdn subscriber downloads, or if this might reveal my credentials to wiretappers. All information it exposes in its UI is that it obviously accesses http://social.microsoft.com/ForumsServicePreview/ForumsService.svc. Note that this is an http URL, not https. -- Stefan
From: Jochen Kalmbach [MVP] on 7 May 2010 04:44 Hi Stefan! > Down anyone have more insight as to how the nntp bridge works with > regards to authenticating the user? It uses the offical documented live ID SKD: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb404787.aspx http://dev.live.com/liveid/ Here is a code sample: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb676891.aspx IMHO it is very secure... and not -- Greetings Jochen My blog about Win32 and .NET http://blog.kalmbachnet.de/
From: Hector Santos on 7 May 2010 09:34 Yes, I did noticed that, and AFAICT, the REST requests are all HTTP. Note: the correct url is: http://services.social.microsoft.com/forumsServicePreview/ForumsService.svc This is a primitive 3rd party program. The author seems to be new at communications requirements. It uses the Live ID Framework Client SDK for this. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb404791.aspx And it comes with a C# example illustrating the authentication. For me, since my live id account is a junk account anyway, I don't worry about it - although they are beginning to force me to use it more now. -- HLS Stefan Kuhr wrote: > Hello everyone, > > On 5/7/2010 4:56 AM, Hector Santos wrote: >> Pavel A. wrote: >> <snip> >> As "Forums Newsgroups," you can download the MS NNTP Bridge >> >> http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums >> >> that will allow you to continue to use your favorite desktop news reader >> to access the Microsoft Forums Newsgroups. >> >> It actually works pretty well. Not all the old newsgroup "names" are >> available in the MS forums. There is the kernel one: >> > > Down anyone have more insight as to how the nntp bridge works with > regards to authenticating the user? I wonder how it deals with my live > ID user name and password and whether it is safe to use it with the same > live ID credentials that I use to access my technet plus subscription or > msdn subscriber downloads, or if this might reveal my credentials to > wiretappers. All information it exposes in its UI is that it obviously > accesses > http://social.microsoft.com/ForumsServicePreview/ForumsService.svc. Note > that this is an http URL, not https. >
From: Hector Santos on 7 May 2010 09:38 Ok, "Works as an beta" :) Yes, I noticed that myself with TBIRD. -- HLS Lem wrote: > Hector Santos wrote: >> Pavel A. wrote: >> >>> Dear users of msnews.microsoft.com, >>> >>> There are rumors that Microsoft plans to shut down this nntp server. >>> >>> See this for example: >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.html >>> >>> Any thoughts on where we can migrate from here - besides of the >>> web-based MSDN forums?. >>> To Google groups, maybe? >>> >>> Regards, >>> -- pa >> >> >> Technically what Microsoft is stopping is the Microsoft.* newsgroups >> in lieu of new forums style messages which can also be exposed as >> "locally published" newsgroups. >> >> As "Forums Newsgroups," you can download the MS NNTP Bridge >> >> http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums >> >> that will allow you to continue to use your favorite desktop news >> reader to access the Microsoft Forums Newsgroups. >> >> It actually works pretty well. Not all the old newsgroup "names" are >> available in the MS forums. There is the kernel one: >> >> Microsoft.en-US.kernel >> >> I'm sure in time that other providers will use the MS NNTP Bridge with >> NNTP gating software to mirror the MS Forums on their own NNTP servers >> as newsgroups. >> >> Its leaves us to wonder what will happen to the old mirrors, i.e. >> Google Groups. That probably depends if Microsoft will allow or not >> their name sake and branding to continue to be used as newsgroup names >> run by 3rd party servers. Maybe they don't care, maybe they don't >> realize they will care once its highly abused more than it is now >> where there was filtering going on, but no longer. :) > > I wouldn't go so far as to say that the nntp bridge "works pretty well." > At least on T'Bird 2.x, the headers and bodies occasionally become > unsynced and the unread message indicator is unreliable.
From: Hector Santos on 7 May 2010 09:45
Jochen Kalmbach [MVP] wrote: > Hi Pavel! > >> Any thoughts on where we can migrate from here - besides of the >> web-based MSDN forums?. > > Why not just stay here? > You only need to use a different news-server than news.microsoft.com. > But the group will still exist in the future. And the groups will still > be peered to other news-servers. But there is a main HOP source. There still needs to a common source. > NNTP is a peer-to-peer system, so the down of news.microsoft.com will > not matter. > > So just change your news-provider and everything will work as today. And given the fact that the new systems were not merged anyway, the only real lost is the Microsoft NNTP server. That is a big lost as not everyone wants to go OUTSIDE the Microsoft server and other services will be lost too. So it will be a big change from that standpoint. A good solid bridge is all that is needed to use the new storage forums. This 3rd party bridge "works" but still has issues and is missing many basic features. -- HLS |