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From: BD on 16 Dec 2009 11:52
William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, BD wrote:
>> William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> writes:
>>>> Did it *really* never occur to you to follow said link?
>>> No, I don't Google.
>>
>> You don't have to Google anything, simply follow the link.
>>
>> The book is also on Amazon. I can access pp. 8-9 in both places
>> from various IP addresses, so any problem is on your end.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Algebraic-Ergebnisse-Mathematik-Grenzgebiete-Mathematics/dp/3540646639/
>>
>>> It's of no value.
>>
>> So that explains why you ask so many basic questions that could easily
>> be answered by online book/paper searches, e.g. Google Books/Scholar.
>> Why do you choose to ignore such valuable resources? In this case
>> the link I gave is to the precise theorem that you seek. You could
>> have easily found that yourself using obvious searches.
>
> I showed you exactly what appears on my screen when I open the link.
> Apparently you chose to ignored that, even clipping it from you reply.

No, I didn't ignore it. I gave you an alternate link to Amazon.
I find it hard to believe that you cannot access the free ebook
fragments at both Amazon and Google Books. It seems high time
that you learn some rudimentary web browsing skills.

I know you have some very nonstandard views of worthiness, e.g. your
*many* prior off-topic posts here that consisted entirely of complaints
about the syntax of posts - that they did not include enough whitespace.
But this complaint really takes the cake. I cannot even begin to fathom
how anyone in their right mind could justify deeming such important
research tools to be "of no value". If you are sincerely interested
in learning mathematics then why willfully deny yourself access to
major online repositories of mathematical literature?
From: Marc Olschok on 16 Dec 2009 15:18
BD <wgd(a)nestlee.ai.mit.edu> wrote:
> William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, BD wrote:
> >> William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> writes:
> >>>> Did it *really* never occur to you to follow said link?
> >>> No, I don't Google.
> >>
> >> You don't have to Google anything, simply follow the link.
> >>
> >> The book is also on Amazon. I can access pp. 8-9 in both places
> >> from various IP addresses, so any problem is on your end.
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Algebraic-Ergebnisse-Mathematik-Grenzgebiete-Mathematics/dp/3540646639/
> >>
> >>> It's of no value.
> >>
> >> So that explains why you ask so many basic questions that could easily
> >> be answered by online book/paper searches, e.g. Google Books/Scholar.
> >> Why do you choose to ignore such valuable resources? In this case
> >> the link I gave is to the precise theorem that you seek. You could
> >> have easily found that yourself using obvious searches.
> >
> > I showed you exactly what appears on my screen when I open the link.
> > Apparently you chose to ignored that, even clipping it from you reply.
>
> No, I didn't ignore it. I gave you an alternate link to Amazon.
> I find it hard to believe that you cannot access the free ebook
> fragments at both Amazon and Google Books. It seems high time
> that you learn some rudimentary web browsing skills.

Just in case you are interested: I obtain the same denial from
the GoogleBooks page. Via the amazon link I can use their
"look inside" submenu to access "the first few pages". But
of course this is not apparent from the above link only.
After showing the first page, the server reported an internal error
and refused to give the second page. So it may not always be
technical ineptness on the side of the users.


>
> I know you have some very nonstandard views of worthiness, e.g. your
> *many* prior off-topic posts here that consisted entirely of complaints
> about the syntax of posts - that they did not include enough whitespace.
> But this complaint really takes the cake. I cannot even begin to fathom
> how anyone in their right mind could justify deeming such important
> research tools to be "of no value". If you are sincerely interested
> in learning mathematics then why willfully deny yourself access to
> major online repositories of mathematical literature?

He may opt for the paper versions in libraries.

--
Marc

From: BD on 16 Dec 2009 15:39
Marc Olschok <nobody(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> BD <wgd(a)nestlee.ai.mit.edu> wrote:
>> William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, BD wrote:
>>>> William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> writes:
>>>>>> Did it *really* never occur to you to follow said link?
>>>>> No, I don't Google.
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to Google anything, simply follow the link.
>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=m8Er5OAnT5cC&pg=PA8
>>>>
>>>> The book is also on Amazon. I can access pp. 8-9 in both places
>>>> from various IP addresses, so any problem is on your end.
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Algebraic-Ergebnisse-Mathematik-Grenzgebiete-Mathematics/dp/3540646639/
>>>>
>>>>> It's of no value.
>>>>
>>>> So that explains why you ask so many basic questions that could easily
>>>> be answered by online book/paper searches, e.g. Google Books/Scholar.
>>>> Why do you choose to ignore such valuable resources? In this case
>>>> the link I gave is to the precise theorem that you seek. You could
>>>> have easily found that yourself using obvious searches.
>>>
>>> I showed you exactly what appears on my screen when I open the link.
>>> Apparently you chose to ignored that, even clipping it from you reply.
>>
>> No, I didn't ignore it. I gave you an alternate link to Amazon.
>> I find it hard to believe that you cannot access the free ebook
>> fragments at both Amazon and Google Books. It seems high time
>> that you learn some rudimentary web browsing skills.
>
> Just in case you are interested: I obtain the same denial from
> the GoogleBooks page. Via the amazon link I can use their
> "look inside" submenu to access "the first few pages". But
> of course this is not apparent from the above link only.
> After showing the first page, the server reported an internal error
> and refused to give the second page. So it may not always be
> technical ineptness on the side of the users.

Are you getting an error that you have reached a page viewing limit
or some other error?

You should be able to search for "cone" on Amazon and click on
the result on p.8. Iirc Amazon might require signing in to
an account with a credit card on file (presumably that's how they
authenticate for page limit tracking).

Note that the whole book can be accessed via links
from the usual ebook databases (e.g. gigapedia.com).
From: Frederick Williams on 17 Dec 2009 06:48
BD wrote:
>
> [...] Iirc Amazon might require signing in to
> an account with a credit card on file

If that is so then I can understand why Whining Willie Won't use it.

--
Pigeons were widely suspected of secret intercourse with the
enemy; counter-measures included the use of British birds of
prey to intercept suspicious pigeons in mid-air.
Christopher Andrew, 'Defence of the Realm', Allen Lane
From: Marc Olschok on 17 Dec 2009 13:50
BD <wgd(a)nestlee.ai.mit.edu> wrote:
> Marc Olschok <nobody(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>[...]
> > Just in case you are interested: I obtain the same denial from
> > the GoogleBooks page. Via the amazon link I can use their
> > "look inside" submenu to access "the first few pages". But
> > of course this is not apparent from the above link only.
> > After showing the first page, the server reported an internal error
> > and refused to give the second page. So it may not always be
> > technical ineptness on the side of the users.
>
> Are you getting an error that you have reached a page viewing limit
> or some other error?

The message is "either restrictions apply or page viewing limit reached"
from GoogeBooks. The Amazon message was just "internal error".
I did not take the time to recheck.

>
> You should be able to search for "cone" on Amazon and click on
> the result on p.8. Iirc Amazon might require signing in to
> an account with a credit card on file (presumably that's how they
> authenticate for page limit tracking).
>
> Note that the whole book can be accessed via links
> from the usual ebook databases (e.g. gigapedia.com).

In this case I actually happen to own the book, I was just curious
about Williams report. In general I prefer freely available sources
or visit a suitable library.

--
Marc
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