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From: BD on 16 Dec 2009 11:57
William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, BD wrote:
>> William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> writes:
>>>> Did it really never occur to you to follow said link?
>>> No, I don't Google.
>>
>> You don't have to Google anything, simply follow the link.
>>
>> The book is also on Amazon. I can access pp. 8-9 in both places
>> from various IP addresses, so any problem is on your end.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Algebraic-Ergebnisse-Mathematik-Grenzgebiete-Mathematics/dp/3540646639/
>>
>>> It's of no value.
>>
>> So that explains why you ask so many basic questions that could easily
>> be answered by online book/paper searches, e.g. Google Books/Scholar.
>> Why do you choose to ignore such valuable resources? In this case
>> the link I gave is to the precise theorem that you seek. You could
>> have easily found that yourself using obvious searches.
>
> I showed you exactly what appears on my screen when I open the link.
> Apparently you chose to ignored that, even clipping it from you reply.

No, I didn't ignore it. I gave you an alternate link to Amazon.
I find it hard to believe that you cannot access the free ebook
fragments at both Amazon and Google Books. It seems high time
that you learn some rudimentary web browsing skills.

I know you have some very nonstandard views of worthiness, e.g. your
many prior off-topic posts here that consisted entirely of complaints
about the syntax of posts - that they did not include enough whitespace.
But this complaint really takes the cake. I cannot even begin to fathom
how anyone in their right mind could justify deeming such important
research tools to be "of no value". If you are sincerely interested
in learning mathematics then why willfully deny yourself access to
major online repositories of mathematical literature?
From: William Elliot on 17 Dec 2009 03:43
> No, I didn't ignore it. I gave you an alternate link to Amazon.
> I find it hard to believe that you cannot access the free ebook
> fragments at both Amazon and Google Books. It seems high time
> that you learn some rudimentary web browsing skills.

Here's what I get with the other link which is also of no use
for lack of mathematical material. Where do you see the math?

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From: BD on 17 Dec 2009 11:31
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>>
>> No, I didn't ignore it. I gave you an alternate link to Amazon.
>> I find it hard to believe that you cannot access the free ebook
>> fragments at both Amazon and Google Books. It seems high time
>> that you learn some rudimentary web browsing skills.
>
> Here's what I get with the other link which is also of no use
> for lack of mathematical material. Where do you see the math?
>
> --
> Amazon.com: Real Algebraic Geometry (Ergebnisse der Mathematik und
> ihrer Grenzgebiete. 3. Folge / A Series of Modern Surveys in
> Mathematics) (9783540646631): Jacek Bochnak, Michel Coste,
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It appears that you are using a text-only web browser, possibly Lynx.
Of course anyone using such a browser knows quite well that they won't
be able to access a large portion of web content, esp. non-text content
such as images, e.g. the book page images that I linked to above.
Moreover, Lynx may not support all the necessary protocols required
to access certain content (I recall that it couldn't download certain
math papers archived at projecteuclid). Thus your browser choice may
be severely limiting your access to online mathematical content.
From: William Elliot on 18 Dec 2009 05:37
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, BD wrote:
> William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> writes:

> It appears that you are using a text-only web browser, possibly Lynx.
> Of course anyone using such a browser knows quite well that they won't
> be able to access a large portion of web content, esp. non-text content
> such as images, e.g. the book page images that I linked to above.

That's what I've been telling you, the reference is of no use.
Marc was helpful in simplifying the proof I constructed from
the lead you gave.

> Moreover, Lynx may not support all the necessary protocols required
> to access certain content (I recall that it couldn't download certain
> math papers archived at projecteuclid). Thus your browser choice may
> be severely limiting your access to online mathematical content.

Unlike modern computers, it's stable and secure.

From: BD on 18 Dec 2009 14:05
William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, BD wrote:
>> William Elliot <marsh(a)rdrop.remove.com> writes:
>
>> It appears that you are using a text-only web browser, possibly Lynx.
>> Of course anyone using such a browser knows quite well that they won't
>> be able to access a large portion of web content, esp. non-text content
>> such as images, e.g. the book page images that I linked to above.
>
> That's what I've been telling you, the reference is of no use.

You didn't say till now that you were unable to access it due to
your explicit choice to use only a crippled text-only browser.
Omitting an important piece of info like that is quite disingenuous.
The next time you waste my time like that you will be killfiled.

>> Moreover, Lynx may not support all the necessary protocols required
>> to access certain content (I recall that it couldn't download certain
>> math papers archived at projecteuclid). Thus your browser choice may
>> be severely limiting your access to online mathematical content.
>
> Unlike modern computers, it's stable and secure.

What good is "stable and secure" if it denies you access to most pages?
As is often the case, your logic is mind boggling.

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