From: Benj on
On Feb 3, 9:13 pm, Get lost <rander3...(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Because LIBERALS and their cohorts in schools have downplayed the
> importance of science in elementary and high schools in order to
> promote their leftist agendas through social sciences.  America
> continues to fall behind in REAL fields of science.

Sorry NOT a "liberal" thing but a political thing. Don't you know that
dumb people are so much easier to rule than smart people. And the
principles of science which involve the careful inspection of data to
draw conclusions doesn't fit well with the blind acceptance of
propaganda by the masses so needed for easy rule.

Do you think it's by CHANCE that science teaching in the U.S. sucks?
Look. In colleges "education major" is synonymous with "dumbass
loser". Only the students who can't make it in say art history end up
there. The kind of science they learn is "physics appreciation" which
is to say physics without math. An education major couldn't graduate
if they had to understand mathematics. So I waited my whole schooling
as a kid for the schools to teach me some science. Especially physical
science. No dice. Time dragged on and on as we discussed frog and
flower parts (any teacher and understand the simple naming of things)
as I waited with anticipation for us to get to the physical science
part of our book. Fergeddaboudit. When we finally get there, the
teacher decides to skip that chapter. No doubt because she had no clue
about what was in there. And yet the many Nobel prize winners I've met
throughout my life, are all prohibited by law from teaching a grade
school science class. Politics. And all the best and brightest
schoolteachers I've ever known were all fired for "incompetence". You
know, horrible infractions like not keeping all the room window shades
at the same height so it looked nice from the street!

The point is that the principles of science are well known and have
been for centuries. But to teach them weakens ones political position.
So they aren't taught. Instead the reputation of science is used as as
political propaganda. Salient examples are AGW and Evolootion. There
are also many other topics where objective investigations are not
allowed. They would have the public believe that scientific "truth" is
determined by the officers of medical and scientific organizations and
political appointees to "committees". It's not science. It's a
political take-over at the "top".

The bottom line is that when various bogus theories are promoted as
"true" and alternative ideas are not permitted to be discussed, there
is no science, only politics. And politics "explains" NOTHING. If one
cannot seriously debate topics, how can there ever be even reasonable
guesses let alone explanations? Just look at the debate here. In
certain well-defined areas you see no science being discussed. Just
name-calling and ridicule designed to STOP scientific debate. So ask
yourself: WHY?




From: jmfbahciv on
Benj wrote:
> On Feb 3, 9:13 pm, Get lost <rander3...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Because LIBERALS and their cohorts in schools have downplayed the
>> importance of science in elementary and high schools in order to
>> promote their leftist agendas through social sciences. America
>> continues to fall behind in REAL fields of science.
>
> Sorry NOT a "liberal" thing but a political thing. Don't you know that
> dumb people are so much easier to rule than smart people. And the
> principles of science which involve the careful inspection of data to
> draw conclusions doesn't fit well with the blind acceptance of
> propaganda by the masses so needed for easy rule.
>
> Do you think it's by CHANCE that science teaching in the U.S. sucks?
> Look. In colleges "education major" is synonymous with "dumbass
> loser". Only the students who can't make it in say art history end up
> there. The kind of science they learn is "physics appreciation" which
> is to say physics without math. An education major couldn't graduate
> if they had to understand mathematics. So I waited my whole schooling
> as a kid for the schools to teach me some science. Especially physical
> science. No dice. Time dragged on and on as we discussed frog and
> flower parts (any teacher and understand the simple naming of things)
> as I waited with anticipation for us to get to the physical science
> part of our book. Fergeddaboudit. When we finally get there, the
> teacher decides to skip that chapter. No doubt because she had no clue
> about what was in there. And yet the many Nobel prize winners I've met
> throughout my life, are all prohibited by law from teaching a grade
> school science class. Politics. And all the best and brightest
> schoolteachers I've ever known were all fired for "incompetence". You
> know, horrible infractions like not keeping all the room window shades
> at the same height so it looked nice from the street!
>
> The point is that the principles of science are well known and have
> been for centuries. But to teach them weakens ones political position.
> So they aren't taught. Instead the reputation of science is used as as
> political propaganda. Salient examples are AGW and Evolootion. There
> are also many other topics where objective investigations are not
> allowed. They would have the public believe that scientific "truth" is
> determined by the officers of medical and scientific organizations and
> political appointees to "committees". It's not science. It's a
> political take-over at the "top".
>
> The bottom line is that when various bogus theories are promoted as
> "true" and alternative ideas are not permitted to be discussed, there
> is no science, only politics. And politics "explains" NOTHING. If one
> cannot seriously debate topics, how can there ever be even reasonable
> guesses let alone explanations? Just look at the debate here. In
> certain well-defined areas you see no science being discussed. Just
> name-calling and ridicule designed to STOP scientific debate. So ask
> yourself: WHY?

The short answer: It is politically correct to be proud to refuse
to learn.

/BAH
From: john on
On Feb 4, 4:00 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
> john wrote:
>
> > On Feb 4, 9:44 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
> > > Urion wrote:
>
> > > > Here is a list of unsolved problems in modern physics from wikipedia:
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsolved_problems_in_physics
>
> > > > Why are so many problems? Don't you think there is something seriously
> > > > wrong with our understanding of physics and the universe or are we
> > > > just overcomplicating things?
>
> > > To criticize is to volunteer - propose empirically valid solutions.
>
> > The proton is a standing wave of energy
> > that perfectly resonates with the
> > frequency of space, absorbing energy from it
> > thus creating gravity
>
> idiot
>
And that standing wave which is the proton, Al,
has rotation at 1 in the first plane and rotation
at 2 in the orthogonal plane.
And what happens when it is formed, is the
space within its 'event horizon' is all
expelled to the outside in the form of an
electron.
And that electron, Al, as per my
idiot Galaxy Model, is formed of hundreds of
millions of radiating bodies (suns), each of which
is made from gazillions of teensy-tiny standing waves,
each of which expels its own bit of spacetime in
the form of yet more complexity. Think of it as more
Uncle Als. :-)

It's the great circle of life! :-)

john
From: glird on
On Feb 4, 7:36 pm, Mike Jr <n00s...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> I agree that if science can't make contact with >experiment then it is not science at all but rather >philosophy, fiction, or religion.

How bout "nonsense"?
From: glird on
On Feb 5, 12:44 am, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> Let's see if you can name one aspect of the big bang
> theory that has not been tested.

It says that all the matter and energy in the universe originated at
a point about 13 billion years ago. That directly contradicts the law
that matter and energy cannot be create or destroyed. Where, when, and
how was that aspect of the big bing theory tested?

glird