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From: Jim Thompson on 9 Jul 2010 20:29 On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:10:27 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:51:42 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:50:50 -0700, John Larkin >><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:18:12 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian(a)qq.vv.net> >>>wrote: [snip] >>>>If you conserve energy, then you must have >>>> >>>>C1*V1^2 = C2*V2^2 >>> >>>Right. If you dump all the energy from one charged cap into another, >>>discharged, cap of a different value, and do it efficiently, charge is >>>not conserved. >>> >>>John >>> >>> >> >>Would you care to prove that for us John? Mathematically, that is. No >>hand-waving. After all you do claim trivial EE101 :-) >> >> ...Jim Thompson > >Newbies will take note that Larkin has NOT responded to this request. > >Would someone out there like to mathematically prove that charge is >NOT conserved in Larkin's folly (and yet energy is ?:-) > How about you, Win Hill? What do you think? ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: George Herold on 9 Jul 2010 22:41 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:10:27 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > > >On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:51:42 -0700, Jim Thompson > ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > > > >>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:50:50 -0700, John Larkin > >><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> > >>>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:18:12 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian(a)qq.vv.net> > >>>wrote: > [snip] > >>>>If you conserve energy, then you must have > >>>> > >>>>C1*V1^2 = C2*V2^2 > >>> > >>>Right. If you dump all the energy from one charged cap into another, > >>>discharged, cap of a different value, and do it efficiently, charge is > >>>not conserved. > >>> > >>>John > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Would you care to prove that for us John? Mathematically, that is. No > >>hand-waving. After all you do claim trivial EE101 :-) > >> > >> ...Jim Thompson > > > >Newbies will take note that Larkin has NOT responded to this request. > > > >Would someone out there like to mathematically prove that charge is > >NOT conserved in Larkin's folly (and yet energy is ?:-) > > > > How about you, Win Hill? What do you think? > > ...Jim Thompson > -- > | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | > | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | > | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | > | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | > | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | > | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | > > I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. Sorry Jim, I don't think you are right this time. At almost all times caps have zero 'net' charge on them. There's just charge separation. Charge conservation is just not that important. You can transfer the electric field energy to magnetic field energy and then back again. George H.
From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 9 Jul 2010 23:46 Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:10:27 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > > >On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:51:42 -0700, Jim Thompson > ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > > > >>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:50:50 -0700, John Larkin > >><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> > >>>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:18:12 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian(a)qq.vv.net> > >>>wrote: > [snip] > >>>>If you conserve energy, then you must have > >>>> > >>>>C1*V1^2 = C2*V2^2 > >>> > >>>Right. If you dump all the energy from one charged cap into another, > >>>discharged, cap of a different value, and do it efficiently, charge is > >>>not conserved. > >>> > >>>John > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Would you care to prove that for us John? Mathematically, that is. No > >>hand-waving. After all you do claim trivial EE101 :-) > >> > >> ...Jim Thompson > > > >Newbies will take note that Larkin has NOT responded to this request. > > > >Would someone out there like to mathematically prove that charge is > >NOT conserved in Larkin's folly (and yet energy is ?:-) > > > > How about you, Win Hill? What do you think? > > ...Jim Thompson > -- > | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | > | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | > | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | > | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | > | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | > | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | > > I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. Oooh. Its the old "where did the energy go" two cap puzzle. This ought to be fun to watch. -- Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul(a)Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ professor; n, One who talks in someone else's sleep.
From: Jim Thompson on 10 Jul 2010 00:13 On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:46:10 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:10:27 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >> >On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:51:42 -0700, Jim Thompson >> ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> > >> >>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:50:50 -0700, John Larkin >> >><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:18:12 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian(a)qq.vv.net> >> >>>wrote: >> [snip] >> >>>>If you conserve energy, then you must have >> >>>> >> >>>>C1*V1^2 = C2*V2^2 >> >>> >> >>>Right. If you dump all the energy from one charged cap into another, >> >>>discharged, cap of a different value, and do it efficiently, charge is >> >>>not conserved. >> >>> >> >>>John >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >>Would you care to prove that for us John? Mathematically, that is. No >> >>hand-waving. After all you do claim trivial EE101 :-) >> >> >> >> ...Jim Thompson >> > >> >Newbies will take note that Larkin has NOT responded to this request. >> > >> >Would someone out there like to mathematically prove that charge is >> >NOT conserved in Larkin's folly (and yet energy is ?:-) >> > >> >> How about you, Win Hill? What do you think? >> >> ...Jim Thompson [snip sig left by amateurish newsreader] > >Oooh. Its the old "where did the energy go" two cap puzzle. > >This ought to be fun to watch. Naaaah! It won't amount to anything. Win will go hide, rather then stand up on his haunches and declare Larkin wrong. And all the newbies will lose :-( ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Obama isn't going to raise your taxes...it's Bush' fault: Not re- newing the Bush tax cuts will increase the bottom tier rate by 50%
From: Jim Thompson on 10 Jul 2010 00:51
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:46:10 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote: [snip] > >Oooh. Its the old "where did the energy go" two cap puzzle. > [snip] Which is trivial to solve :-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Obama isn't going to raise your taxes...it's Bush' fault: Not re- newing the Bush tax cuts will increase the bottom tier rate by 50% |