From: John Larkin on
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:59:51 -0500, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:

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>John Larkin wrote:
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>> I'm an engineer. I design circuits. Philosophy is useless to me unless
>> it allows me to quantify and measure things and predict what the
>> numbers will mean.
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>Yea, this is what good soldier Schweik used to say:
>
>"When a car runs out of gas, it stops. Even after been faced with this
>obvious fact, they dare to talk about momentum".
>
>

If Schweik has emptied the clip of his machine gun into you, you
mostly likely would have died, and his philosophy would have worked
better than yours.

As an engineer, I use the theories that involve measurable phenomena
and subsequently make electronics work, and avoid the ones that don't.

John


From: Vladimir Vassilevsky on


John Larkin wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:59:51 -0500, Vladimir Vassilevsky
> <nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
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>>John Larkin wrote:
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>>>I'm an engineer. I design circuits. Philosophy is useless to me unless
>>>it allows me to quantify and measure things and predict what the
>>>numbers will mean.
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>>Yea, this is what good soldier Schweik used to say:
>>
>>"When a car runs out of gas, it stops. Even after been faced with this
>>obvious fact, they dare to talk about momentum".
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> If Schweik has emptied the clip of his machine gun into you, you
> mostly likely would have died, and his philosophy would have worked
> better than yours.

The philosophy can't stop a bullet, however it helps staying away from
the places where the bullets are whistling.

> As an engineer, I use the theories that involve measurable phenomena
> and subsequently make electronics work, and avoid the ones that don't.

As an engineer, you should know that machine guns don't use clips.

VLV

From: Tim Williams on
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message news:o61h36lt8fvhsc00mrc9824ju0jd4hml8s(a)4ax.com...
> Now stack them in series. The result is a 1F cap charged to 1 volt.
> That has a charge of 1 coulomb. Where did the other coulomb go?

The other coulomb was there because it was in parallel. Charge is conserved _in series circuits_, and obeys a law otherwise (Kirchoff). Putting them in parallel, Kirchoff says one plus one makes two. In series, one equals one.

So where did you think the charge went? ;)

Tim

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From: Jim Thompson on
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:37:20 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

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>
>I'm an engineer. I design circuits. Philosophy is useless to me unless
>it allows me to quantify and measure things and predict what the
>numbers will mean.
>
>Take two caps. C1 is 1 farad, charged to 1 volt. C2 is 2 farads, zero
>volts. C1 stores 1 coulomb, C2 has zero.
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>Connect a 1 henry inductor across C1 until its voltage is zero. All
>the energy has been transferred to the L. Now use the energy in L to
>charge C2, and disconnect it when the current decays to zero. All the
>energy that used to be in C1 is now in C2. C2 is now at 0.707 volts,
>and it holds 1.414 coulombs of charge.
>
>Even simpler: calculate the coulombs stored in (eg, ampere-seconds
>removable from) four identical charged caps in parallel. Now rearrange
>them in series to form a 2-terminal capacitor. Recalculate the
>coulombs available for extraction.
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>Or: start with identical charged caps in parallel. Compute Q of the
>parallel combo. Disconnect them and reconnect with opposed polarity.
>Recompute Q.
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>That's what "conservation of charge" means in my world: things I can
>calculate, measure, and use. Sometimes I can count on conservation of
>charge, sometimes I can't. I can always count on conservation of
>energy.
>
>John
>

Not the same "sloshing" circuit you first presented. No surprise. You
never actually answer any question. You should be in politics and
sell global warming ;-)

BTW, How did you create charge in a closed system?

...Jim Thompson
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From: My Name Is Tzu How Do You Do on
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:59:51 -0500, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote:

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>
>John Larkin wrote:
>
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>> I'm an engineer. I design circuits. Philosophy is useless to me unless
>> it allows me to quantify and measure things and predict what the
>> numbers will mean.
>
>Yea, this is what good soldier Schweik used to say:
>
>"When a car runs out of gas, it stops. Even after been faced with this
>obvious fact, they dare to talk about momentum".
>

And they absolutely, positively refuse to pull out a map.

GPS allowed them to go back to being lazy all over again.