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From: RJK on 6 Aug 2010 08:13 >>> I know exactly what I'm talking about. So tell me what tools do >>> you use to remove worms and trojans from computers? Are any of them >>> called "Anti-Virus" software? >> >> Yes, but that is beside the point. > > No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is acceptable to > just about everyone except a few anal retentive people who love to go > around correcting everyone. ....and ignorant people will still call themselves professionals I suppose. Talk about anal. Now I've been trying to follow this thread, and I may have got the wrong end of the stick somehere but, I would like to point out that I fully respect David H Lipmans' persistance in clarifying malware terminology / categrisation, indeed, I've found it VERY useful on several occasions. And for those other malware "professionals" out there, I'd like to point out that David H Lipman is held in the highest esteem by many people inc. myself, ...and who also consider him to be one of the foremost authorities in the field of malware, so much so that when I have an interest in a specific variant, and I'm wading through a thread, there's only a few I need to read - David H Lipman first - and a few others. I particularly avoid reading posts by one or two particular "know-all's" because of their condescending and ignorant attitude. enough said :-) regards, Richard
From: ~BD~ on 6 Aug 2010 08:28 RJK wrote: > >>> I know exactly what I'm talking about. So tell me what tools do > >>> you use to remove worms and trojans from computers? Are any of them > >>> called "Anti-Virus" software? > >> > >> Yes, but that is beside the point. > > > > No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is acceptable to > > just about everyone except a few anal retentive people who love to go > > around correcting everyone. > > ...and ignorant people will still call themselves professionals I > suppose. > > Talk about anal. > > > Now I've been trying to follow this thread, and I may have got the wrong > end of the stick somehere but, I would like to point out that I fully > respect David H Lipmans' persistance in clarifying malware terminology / > categrisation, > indeed, I've found it VERY useful on several occasions. > And for those other malware "professionals" out there, I'd like to point > out that David H Lipman is held in the highest esteem by many people > inc. myself, ...and who also consider him to be one of the foremost > authorities in the field of malware, so much so that when I have an > interest in a specific variant, and I'm wading through a thread, there's > only a few I need to read - David H Lipman first - and a few others. I > particularly avoid reading posts by one or two particular "know-all's" > because of their condescending and ignorant attitude. > enough said :-) > regards, Richard An interesting comment, Richard. You say that you hold Mr Lipman "in the highest esteem". Tell me why! Do you know who he is and by whom he is employed? AFAICT - he's just another unknown entity posting on Usenet. You obviously trust his word - but how can others *really* know the truth? If he was a *real* professional, he'd check his spelling before he hit the send key! ;-) Regards, Dave
From: RJK on 6 Aug 2010 09:04 "~BD~" <BoaterDave~no.spam~@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:GrSdnSS927yUncHRnZ2dnUVZ8i6dnZ2d(a)bt.com... RJK wrote: > >>> I know exactly what I'm talking about. So tell me what tools do > >>> you use to remove worms and trojans from computers? Are any of them > >>> called "Anti-Virus" software? > >> > >> Yes, but that is beside the point. > > > > No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is acceptable to > > just about everyone except a few anal retentive people who love to go > > around correcting everyone. > > ...and ignorant people will still call themselves professionals I > suppose. > > Talk about anal. > > > Now I've been trying to follow this thread, and I may have got the wrong > end of the stick somehere but, I would like to point out that I fully > respect David H Lipmans' persistance in clarifying malware terminology / > categrisation, > indeed, I've found it VERY useful on several occasions. > And for those other malware "professionals" out there, I'd like to point > out that David H Lipman is held in the highest esteem by many people > inc. myself, ...and who also consider him to be one of the foremost > authorities in the field of malware, so much so that when I have an > interest in a specific variant, and I'm wading through a thread, there's > only a few I need to read - David H Lipman first - and a few others. I > particularly avoid reading posts by one or two particular "know-all's" > because of their condescending and ignorant attitude. > enough said :-) > regards, Richard An interesting comment, Richard. You say that you hold Mr Lipman "in the highest esteem". Tell me why! Do you know who he is and by whom he is employed? AFAICT - he's just another unknown entity posting on Usenet. You obviously trust his word - but how can others *really* know the truth? If he was a *real* professional, he'd check his spelling before he hit the send key! ;-) Regards, Dave I won't be drawn into this one too much ! ...other than to say, "AFAICT - he's just another unknown entity posting on Usenet," so what ! I've always been impressed by my sixth sense, (modesty completely aside for a few seconds), and its' rarely ever proved me wrong. Regarding your other peculiar observations / questions :- Your perpesctive on the "the truth" seems to be a unique, (and abnormally persistent and unperceptive), point of view ! "spelling" ....well, ...we all "typo" now and again, it's usually blatantly obvious what the intended letter or word was from the context, (context means "surrounding text" - in case you don't know what "context" means), and to negatively comment on other peoples spelling, esp. when there is an obvious typo, is bit pathetic to say the least. regards, Richard ps ...please don't waste any more breath on the topic, if you have sufficient intellect, you'll agree that your points have been fully addressed. Pusuence of my response would simply be indication that you simply cannot, or choose not, understand what you're reading !
From: John Slade on 6 Aug 2010 14:11 On 8/6/2010 5:13 AM, RJK wrote: > > >>> I know exactly what I'm talking about. So tell me what tools do > >>> you use to remove worms and trojans from computers? Are any of them > >>> called "Anti-Virus" software? > >> > >> Yes, but that is beside the point. > > > > No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is acceptable to > > just about everyone except a few anal retentive people who love to go > > around correcting everyone. > > ...and ignorant people will still call themselves professionals I > suppose. > > Talk about anal. > > > Now I've been trying to follow this thread, and I may have got the wrong > end of the stick somehere but, I would like to point out that I fully > respect David H Lipmans' persistance in clarifying malware terminology / > categrisation, > indeed, I've found it VERY useful on several occasions. > And for those other malware "professionals" out there, I'd like to point > out that David H Lipman is held in the highest esteem by many people > inc. myself, ...and who also consider him to be one of the foremost > authorities in the field of malware, so much so that when I have an > interest in a specific variant, and I'm wading through a thread, there's > only a few I need to read - David H Lipman first - and a few others. I > particularly avoid reading posts by one or two particular "know-all's" > because of their condescending and ignorant attitude. > enough said :-) > regards, Richard That's all well and good but this conversation was not just about malware. It started out when Dave said he was reluctant to disable system restore because he wanted to keep the restore points. Well that problem would be solved by a simple backup. I think he got a bit angry because he overlooked something simple. So many times people who are programmers or people who don't regularly work in on site repairs tend to lose people skills and commons sense skills. I've been doing repairs for about 25 years and made a good living doing so. I never needed to advertise because I got more business by word of mouth than I could handle. Since this thread started people have tried to change the subject when they lose an argument. That's how we wound up on soldering irons and leaking capacitors. John
From: John Slade on 6 Aug 2010 14:18
On 8/5/2010 2:33 PM, Wolf K wrote: > On 05/08/2010 17:23, David H. Lipman wrote: > [...] >> I'm sorry, just because the "average" person calls all malware a >> "virus" does not make it >> correct and if you insist on following this train of thought, please >> do NOT call yourself >> a "professional." >> >> > > > Yeah, well,context rules. No matter how carefully people use terminology > in their professional lives, words will escape into the wild, and then > all bets are off. > > It's context that determines a word's meaning. In every-day usage, > "anti-virus" has come to mean what "anti-malware" means in a > professional context. That's just the way it is. The first rule of > communication is "Adapt to your audience." > > cheers, > wolf k. I could not have said it better myself. John |