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From: Suzanne MarcAurele on 28 Nov 2007 16:36

--
SuzDPQ


"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> What OEM? What software is included in that OEM? What account is being
> created?
>
> From the errors you're reporting, I'd vote for corruption of something. And
> I'd be very inclined to start the troubleshooting by installing a retail,
> known good, copy of Vista from original DVDs. (Do a PIDless install - this
> is just for test.) If you're still seeing major problems, then look at the
> hardware. If the install is clean - then it's time to have a discussion with
> the OEM about a corrupted install or what they're doing.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>
>
> "Suzanne MarcAurele" <smarcaur(a)optonline.net(donotspam)> wrote in message
> news:DB266B8D-AB0B-4528-8FDB-30CC3A8A8E07(a)microsoft.com...
> >
> > --
> > SuzDPQ
> >
> >
> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> I'm sorry, but there's really nothing in this that tells any of us what
> >> you
> >> have or what the issue might be. Clearly many, many of us have been
> >> running
> >> 64bit Vista without the issues you appear to be describing. You say that
> >> there's an extra administrator account - but don't tell us the account
> >> name.
> >> It's apparently an OEM install, but you don't say what OEM or what other
> >> software the OEM install puts on the machine.
> >>
> >> I built the machine I'm using myself. It has an AMD processor, an Opteron
> >> 185 - a mid-range chip even when I bought it, and by now a quite old and
> >> slow one. It has an old (and not exactly high end) VIA chipset. And a low
> >> end ATI graphics card in an AGP slot. And 3 GB of RAM. The machine is
> >> fast,
> >> it has exactly the accounts on it I expect (Administrator, Guest,
> >> Charlie)
> >> plus the domain accounts that access it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Charlie.
> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
> >>
> >>
> >> "Suzanne MarcAurele" <smarcaur(a)optonline.net(donotspam)> wrote in message
> >> news:D90ADCE9-21E1-470E-985B-FC8CBF7A4875(a)microsoft.com...
> >> >I have a client that bought an AMD 64bit processor system that in my
> >> > estimation is an absolute dawg! I have received several error codes
> >> > throughout all of the event viewers, in particular critical codes
> >> > related
> >> > to
> >> > the kernel and performance(the logs for a similiar period in a clean
> >> > install
> >> > of Vista are 2x larger than the clean install). I also discovered an
> >> > additional administrator in Group Policy that I find no where in my
> >> > installation of Vista 32 bit. Is it possible that on consumer machines
> >> > that
> >> > manufacturers are installing an administrator - the GP even states that
> >> > the
> >> > system is shared when it is not. Additionally the system crashed
> >> > totally -
> >> > it was in the restore from the manufacturer's disk that this double
> >> > admin
> >> > came up - ie after I created an administrator it still persists to show
> >> > that
> >> > the policy will be updated for this account - could the built in
> >> > account
> >> > be
> >> > active? It is a first for me encountering a machine that has so many
> >> > errors
> >> > - my 32 bit gets a rating of 4.6 and the client's 64 bit gets a 2.6!!!!
> >> > I
> >> > need some answers here but more importantly Microsoft needs to do an
> >> > article
> >> > running down the meaning of these error codes - be nice to have a class
> >> > id
> >> > listing - it took me about 40 hours to pour over the various event logs
> >> > to
> >> > determine how Vista works - my time would have been cut in more than
> >> > half
> >> > if
> >> > there were a reference that really covers what's inside.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry there is so much here and yet so little but I want to go back to
> >> > the
> >> > client with an intelligent answer beyond you had this error and that
> >> > error -
> >> > ie I want to be able to say with some certainty that they ought to go
> >> > back
> >> > to
> >> > the manufacturer and demand they take back the system.
> >> > --
> >> > SuzDPQ
> >>
> > Here are some of the error codes with 45000 events logged, several
> > functional it was not a matter of detail, neither do I need URL's to
> > drivers
> > - by the way MCSE, CCNA:
> >
> > Next policy processing for WORKGROUP\3DBGASFRNPUR0$ will be attempted in
> > 118
> > minutes.
> > error 500 & 501 -points to CPU resources over utilized
> > Diagnostic module {A59F0643-A6CA-48E0-A7C4-4CDD258439E2}
> > (%SystemRoot%\system32\diagperf.dll) encountered an error while handling
> > scenario {FFC42108-4920-4ACF-A4FC-8ABDCC68ADA4}, instance
> > {7BFCB492-5B6D-436F-BB89-8AC0B38AA512}, original activity ID
> > {00000030-0000-0000-5915-EF3A101FC801}. The error code was -2147024883.
> > Diagnostic module {C0F51D84-11B9-4E74-B083-99F11BA2DB0A}
> > (%windir%\system32\radardt.dll) encountered an error while handling
> > scenario
> > {739FF6CF-5033-428C-9E2F-582096482DD5}, instance
> > {B2E76D56-22D4-4630-B1EB-91960393102D}, original activity ID
> > {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}. The error code was -2147467259
> > Diagnostic module {15FBA3B8-A37A-4F91-BDBA-FBB98FE804BF}
> > (%SystemRoot%\system32\diagperf.dll) encountered an error while handling
> > scenario {2698178D-FDAD-40AE-9D3C-1371703ADC5B}, instance
> > {17A588FE-D17F-4BF1-9ECA-A6046B9306FD}, original activity ID
> > {2698178D-FDAD-40AE-9D3C-1371703ADC5B}. The error code was -2057957370.
> > Diagnostic module {A59F0643-A6CA-48E0-A7C4-4CDD258439E2}
> > (%SystemRoot%\system32\diagperf.dll) encountered an error while handling
> > scenario {FFC42108-4920-4ACF-A4FC-8ABDCC68ADA4}, instance
> > {A1F5A529-A1EE-4B01-AA9F-1F3D5FB65753}, original activity ID
> > {00000030-0000-0000-429F-E602D102C801}. The error code was -2147024883.
> > Diagnostic module {282396B2-6C46-4D66-B413-70B0445DF33C}
> > (%SystemRoot%\system32\diagperf.dll) encountered an error while handling
> > scenario {A7A5847A-7511-4E4E-90B1-45AD2A002F51}, instance
> > {49959AAD-7461-49D9-A9DF-198B986EC7B8}, original activity ID
> > {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}. The error code was -2147024735.
> >
> >
> > 2147943645 Internet misspelled for Internet Service Offers - that repeated
> > program
> > Intenet #200
> > The last one is a no brainer and the others proved uphelpful when doing a
> > find in the registry, the first list's the admin account, If you can help
> > with some concrete answers - ie where to find the error code and class id
> > listings for Vista it would bewelcome
> >
> The OEM is HP the computer is the tx1000c - did do the reinstall from their restore disk - resolved the internet problem but came up with the 500 and 501 codes plus the specific class id's previously stated plus the admin account - I found one in the previous install which properly disappeared upon creating an admin account ( this was a similiar type of setup beginning with LH). My gut conclusion is that the processor is flawed and the why of the error codes - I am not a fan of AMD processors - over the years the Intel's do not have a problem handling the new programs - my Vista Ultimate is 64 bit and I have no problems - thanks for your help but what about class id's on this and a comprehensive Event viewer listing?
From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 28 Nov 2007 19:25
Very unlikely to be the processor. And after all, AMD is the ONLY reason we
have x64 Windows. Intel had to copy them when it proved to be so successful.
;)

I'd still say it looks like a corruption. If you've restored already and
you're still seeing it, I'd definitely consider trying an install from a
clean source. If you still get corruption, RAM is the most likely culprit.
Followed by HD and/or DVD, followed by CPU as a last resort.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Suzanne MarcAurele" <smarcaur(a)optonline.net(donotspam)> wrote in message
news:77A41145-66F5-464A-8A3E-8506102C198A(a)microsoft.com...
>
> --
> SuzDPQ
>
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>
>> What OEM? What software is included in that OEM? What account is being
>> created?
>>
>> From the errors you're reporting, I'd vote for corruption of something.
>> And
>> I'd be very inclined to start the troubleshooting by installing a retail,
>> known good, copy of Vista from original DVDs. (Do a PIDless install -
>> this
>> is just for test.) If you're still seeing major problems, then look at
>> the
>> hardware. If the install is clean - then it's time to have a discussion
>> with
>> the OEM about a corrupted install or what they're doing.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>>
>> "Suzanne MarcAurele" <smarcaur(a)optonline.net(donotspam)> wrote in message
>> news:DB266B8D-AB0B-4528-8FDB-30CC3A8A8E07(a)microsoft.com...
>> >
>> > --
>> > SuzDPQ
>> >
>> >
>> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm sorry, but there's really nothing in this that tells any of us
>> >> what
>> >> you
>> >> have or what the issue might be. Clearly many, many of us have been
>> >> running
>> >> 64bit Vista without the issues you appear to be describing. You say
>> >> that
>> >> there's an extra administrator account - but don't tell us the account
>> >> name.
>> >> It's apparently an OEM install, but you don't say what OEM or what
>> >> other
>> >> software the OEM install puts on the machine.
>> >>
>> >> I built the machine I'm using myself. It has an AMD processor, an
>> >> Opteron
>> >> 185 - a mid-range chip even when I bought it, and by now a quite old
>> >> and
>> >> slow one. It has an old (and not exactly high end) VIA chipset. And a
>> >> low
>> >> end ATI graphics card in an AGP slot. And 3 GB of RAM. The machine is
>> >> fast,
>> >> it has exactly the accounts on it I expect (Administrator, Guest,
>> >> Charlie)
>> >> plus the domain accounts that access it.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Charlie.
>> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Suzanne MarcAurele" <smarcaur(a)optonline.net(donotspam)> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:D90ADCE9-21E1-470E-985B-FC8CBF7A4875(a)microsoft.com...
>> >> >I have a client that bought an AMD 64bit processor system that in my
>> >> > estimation is an absolute dawg! I have received several error codes
>> >> > throughout all of the event viewers, in particular critical codes
>> >> > related
>> >> > to
>> >> > the kernel and performance(the logs for a similiar period in a clean
>> >> > install
>> >> > of Vista are 2x larger than the clean install). I also discovered
>> >> > an
>> >> > additional administrator in Group Policy that I find no where in my
>> >> > installation of Vista 32 bit. Is it possible that on consumer
>> >> > machines
>> >> > that
>> >> > manufacturers are installing an administrator - the GP even states
>> >> > that
>> >> > the
>> >> > system is shared when it is not. Additionally the system crashed
>> >> > totally -
>> >> > it was in the restore from the manufacturer's disk that this double
>> >> > admin
>> >> > came up - ie after I created an administrator it still persists to
>> >> > show
>> >> > that
>> >> > the policy will be updated for this account - could the built in
>> >> > account
>> >> > be
>> >> > active? It is a first for me encountering a machine that has so
>> >> > many
>> >> > errors
>> >> > - my 32 bit gets a rating of 4.6 and the client's 64 bit gets a
>> >> > 2.6!!!!
>> >> > I
>> >> > need some answers here but more importantly Microsoft needs to do an
>> >> > article
>> >> > running down the meaning of these error codes - be nice to have a
>> >> > class
>> >> > id
>> >> > listing - it took me about 40 hours to pour over the various event
>> >> > logs
>> >> > to
>> >> > determine how Vista works - my time would have been cut in more than
>> >> > half
>> >> > if
>> >> > there were a reference that really covers what's inside.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry there is so much here and yet so little but I want to go back
>> >> > to
>> >> > the
>> >> > client with an intelligent answer beyond you had this error and that
>> >> > error -
>> >> > ie I want to be able to say with some certainty that they ought to
>> >> > go
>> >> > back
>> >> > to
>> >> > the manufacturer and demand they take back the system.
>> >> > --
>> >> > SuzDPQ
>> >>
>> > Here are some of the error codes with 45000 events logged, several
>> > functional it was not a matter of detail, neither do I need URL's to
>> > drivers
>> > - by the way MCSE, CCNA:
>> >
>> > Next policy processing for WORKGROUP\3DBGASFRNPUR0$ will be attempted
>> > in
>> > 118
>> > minutes.
>> > error 500 & 501 -points to CPU resources over utilized
>> > Diagnostic module {A59F0643-A6CA-48E0-A7C4-4CDD258439E2}
>> > (%SystemRoot%\system32\diagperf.dll) encountered an error while
>> > handling
>> > scenario {FFC42108-4920-4ACF-A4FC-8ABDCC68ADA4}, instance
>> > {7BFCB492-5B6D-436F-BB89-8AC0B38AA512}, original activity ID
>> > {00000030-0000-0000-5915-EF3A101FC801}. The error code
>> > was -2147024883.
>> > Diagnostic module {C0F51D84-11B9-4E74-B083-99F11BA2DB0A}
>> > (%windir%\system32\radardt.dll) encountered an error while handling
>> > scenario
>> > {739FF6CF-5033-428C-9E2F-582096482DD5}, instance
>> > {B2E76D56-22D4-4630-B1EB-91960393102D}, original activity ID
>> > {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}. The error code was -2147467259
>> > Diagnostic module {15FBA3B8-A37A-4F91-BDBA-FBB98FE804BF}
>> > (%SystemRoot%\system32\diagperf.dll) encountered an error while
>> > handling
>> > scenario {2698178D-FDAD-40AE-9D3C-1371703ADC5B}, instance
>> > {17A588FE-D17F-4BF1-9ECA-A6046B9306FD}, original activity ID
>> > {2698178D-FDAD-40AE-9D3C-1371703ADC5B}. The error code
>> > was -2057957370.
>> > Diagnostic module {A59F0643-A6CA-48E0-A7C4-4CDD258439E2}
>> > (%SystemRoot%\system32\diagperf.dll) encountered an error while
>> > handling
>> > scenario {FFC42108-4920-4ACF-A4FC-8ABDCC68ADA4}, instance
>> > {A1F5A529-A1EE-4B01-AA9F-1F3D5FB65753}, original activity ID
>> > {00000030-0000-0000-429F-E602D102C801}. The error code
>> > was -2147024883.
>> > Diagnostic module {282396B2-6C46-4D66-B413-70B0445DF33C}
>> > (%SystemRoot%\system32\diagperf.dll) encountered an error while
>> > handling
>> > scenario {A7A5847A-7511-4E4E-90B1-45AD2A002F51}, instance
>> > {49959AAD-7461-49D9-A9DF-198B986EC7B8}, original activity ID
>> > {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}. The error code
>> > was -2147024735.
>> >
>> >
>> > 2147943645 Internet misspelled for Internet Service Offers - that
>> > repeated
>> > program
>> > Intenet #200
>> > The last one is a no brainer and the others proved uphelpful when doing
>> > a
>> > find in the registry, the first list's the admin account, If you can
>> > help
>> > with some concrete answers - ie where to find the error code and class
>> > id
>> > listings for Vista it would bewelcome
>> >
>> The OEM is HP the computer is the tx1000c - did do the reinstall from
>> their restore disk - resolved the internet problem but came up with the
>> 500 and 501 codes plus the specific class id's previously stated plus the
>> admin account - I found one in the previous install which properly
>> disappeared upon creating an admin account ( this was a similiar type of
>> setup beginning with LH). My gut conclusion is that the processor is
>> flawed and the why of the error codes - I am not a fan of AMD
>> processors - over the years the Intel's do not have a problem handling
>> the new programs - my Vista Ultimate is 64 bit and I have no problems -
>> thanks for your help but what about class id's on this and a
>> comprehensive Event viewer listing?
>

From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 28 Nov 2007 19:28
ARRRGGGH. They just hosed my machine. I'd finally gotten the video working
(by dropping back to a June ATI build), and they killed my second monitor.
System restore and leave them alone. ;)

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:568871D9-368C-4742-8A1C-96BFF501AE55(a)microsoft.com...
> Charlie,
> New VIA drivers released yesterday for Vista x64:
> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=37&CatID=3180
> :)
> Carlos
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, but there's really nothing in this that tells any of us what
>> you
>> have or what the issue might be. Clearly many, many of us have been
>> running
>> 64bit Vista without the issues you appear to be describing. You say that
>> there's an extra administrator account - but don't tell us the account
>> name.
>> It's apparently an OEM install, but you don't say what OEM or what other
>> software the OEM install puts on the machine.
>>
>> I built the machine I'm using myself. It has an AMD processor, an Opteron
>> 185 - a mid-range chip even when I bought it, and by now a quite old and
>> slow one. It has an old (and not exactly high end) VIA chipset. And a low
>> end ATI graphics card in an AGP slot. And 3 GB of RAM. The machine is
>> fast,
>> it has exactly the accounts on it I expect (Administrator, Guest,
>> Charlie)
>> plus the domain accounts that access it.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>>
>> "Suzanne MarcAurele" <smarcaur(a)optonline.net(donotspam)> wrote in message
>> news:D90ADCE9-21E1-470E-985B-FC8CBF7A4875(a)microsoft.com...
>> >I have a client that bought an AMD 64bit processor system that in my
>> > estimation is an absolute dawg! I have received several error codes
>> > throughout all of the event viewers, in particular critical codes
>> > related
>> > to
>> > the kernel and performance(the logs for a similiar period in a clean
>> > install
>> > of Vista are 2x larger than the clean install). I also discovered an
>> > additional administrator in Group Policy that I find no where in my
>> > installation of Vista 32 bit. Is it possible that on consumer machines
>> > that
>> > manufacturers are installing an administrator - the GP even states that
>> > the
>> > system is shared when it is not. Additionally the system crashed
>> > totally -
>> > it was in the restore from the manufacturer's disk that this double
>> > admin
>> > came up - ie after I created an administrator it still persists to show
>> > that
>> > the policy will be updated for this account - could the built in
>> > account
>> > be
>> > active? It is a first for me encountering a machine that has so many
>> > errors
>> > - my 32 bit gets a rating of 4.6 and the client's 64 bit gets a 2.6!!!!
>> > I
>> > need some answers here but more importantly Microsoft needs to do an
>> > article
>> > running down the meaning of these error codes - be nice to have a class
>> > id
>> > listing - it took me about 40 hours to pour over the various event logs
>> > to
>> > determine how Vista works - my time would have been cut in more than
>> > half
>> > if
>> > there were a reference that really covers what's inside.
>> >
>> > Sorry there is so much here and yet so little but I want to go back to
>> > the
>> > client with an intelligent answer beyond you had this error and that
>> > error -
>> > ie I want to be able to say with some certainty that they ought to go
>> > back
>> > to
>> > the manufacturer and demand they take back the system.
>> > --
>> > SuzDPQ
>>

From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 28 Nov 2007 09:48
Ah, interesting. I really haven't been having any issues on that old A8V, so
haven't been looking for new drivers. Well, OK, I am having problems with
the ATI card, but that won't be helped by these.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Carlos" <Carlos(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:568871D9-368C-4742-8A1C-96BFF501AE55(a)microsoft.com...
> Charlie,
> New VIA drivers released yesterday for Vista x64:
> http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=37&CatID=3180
> :)
> Carlos
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, but there's really nothing in this that tells any of us what
>> you
>> have or what the issue might be. Clearly many, many of us have been
>> running
>> 64bit Vista without the issues you appear to be describing. You say that
>> there's an extra administrator account - but don't tell us the account
>> name.
>> It's apparently an OEM install, but you don't say what OEM or what other
>> software the OEM install puts on the machine.
>>
>> I built the machine I'm using myself. It has an AMD processor, an Opteron
>> 185 - a mid-range chip even when I bought it, and by now a quite old and
>> slow one. It has an old (and not exactly high end) VIA chipset. And a low
>> end ATI graphics card in an AGP slot. And 3 GB of RAM. The machine is
>> fast,
>> it has exactly the accounts on it I expect (Administrator, Guest,
>> Charlie)
>> plus the domain accounts that access it.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>
>>
>> "Suzanne MarcAurele" <smarcaur(a)optonline.net(donotspam)> wrote in message
>> news:D90ADCE9-21E1-470E-985B-FC8CBF7A4875(a)microsoft.com...
>> >I have a client that bought an AMD 64bit processor system that in my
>> > estimation is an absolute dawg! I have received several error codes
>> > throughout all of the event viewers, in particular critical codes
>> > related
>> > to
>> > the kernel and performance(the logs for a similiar period in a clean
>> > install
>> > of Vista are 2x larger than the clean install). I also discovered an
>> > additional administrator in Group Policy that I find no where in my
>> > installation of Vista 32 bit. Is it possible that on consumer machines
>> > that
>> > manufacturers are installing an administrator - the GP even states that
>> > the
>> > system is shared when it is not. Additionally the system crashed
>> > totally -
>> > it was in the restore from the manufacturer's disk that this double
>> > admin
>> > came up - ie after I created an administrator it still persists to show
>> > that
>> > the policy will be updated for this account - could the built in
>> > account
>> > be
>> > active? It is a first for me encountering a machine that has so many
>> > errors
>> > - my 32 bit gets a rating of 4.6 and the client's 64 bit gets a 2.6!!!!
>> > I
>> > need some answers here but more importantly Microsoft needs to do an
>> > article
>> > running down the meaning of these error codes - be nice to have a class
>> > id
>> > listing - it took me about 40 hours to pour over the various event logs
>> > to
>> > determine how Vista works - my time would have been cut in more than
>> > half
>> > if
>> > there were a reference that really covers what's inside.
>> >
>> > Sorry there is so much here and yet so little but I want to go back to
>> > the
>> > client with an intelligent answer beyond you had this error and that
>> > error -
>> > ie I want to be able to say with some certainty that they ought to go
>> > back
>> > to
>> > the manufacturer and demand they take back the system.
>> > --
>> > SuzDPQ
>>

From: Steve Foster [SBS MVP] on 29 Nov 2007 08:16
Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:

>ARRRGGGH. They just hosed my machine. I'd finally gotten the video working
>(by dropping back to a June ATI build), and they killed my second monitor.
>System restore and leave them alone. ;)

<ahem> If it ain't broke... <g>

--
Steve Foster [SBS MVP]
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